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Should Politicians Be Able to Send Sexy Text Messages?

Finland's popular foreign minister is the latest politician to lose his job over naughty text messages. Ilkka Kanerva sent over 200 erotic text messages to a stripper, pictured. He initially denied the story when it broke in a gossip magazine, but later confessed to using his taxpayer cell phone to send the messages while attending an EU meeting in Brussels.

Technically he lost his post because the incident destroyed the confidence and respect needed to do the job. The embarrassing incident was reason enough to end the statesman's credibility, and thus, career.

Back in the US, Detroit's mayor Kwame Kilpatrick is facing federal criminal charges over 14,000 steamy text messages between him and his ex-chief of staff. Some want the mayor to stay in office, because the texts concerned a private sexual matter between two consenting adults, so lying about it to a grand jury is no big deal. Do you buy it?

If no crime is alleged, like with the Finnish foreign minister, should the public just get over it? Politicians aren't the only ones sending flirty text messages.

To see the 40-year-old man who will replace Kanerva,

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New Finnish Foreign Minister Alexander Stubb.

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Cassandra57 Cassandra57 7 years
MM: My anger was largely fed by a couple of peripheral issues: 1. England took a beating in WWII--I married into an English family--so I consider sympathizing with Nazis to be traitorous. 2. I personally think Mosely and Ecclestone are killing Formula 1, and am furious that the US Grand Prix has been eliminated. I would like to see them removed from any position related to the sport as quickly as possible. Yes, I'm biased. But I don't see anything wrong with puritanism. There are a lot of little-reported psychological and sociological repercussions from the sexual revolution that no one bothers to report. (And I don't have the time to do the research, it's from a wide variety of sources over time.)
Cassandra57 Cassandra57 7 years
MM: My anger was largely fed by a couple of peripheral issues: 1. England took a beating in WWII--I married into an English family--so I consider sympathizing with Nazis to be traitorous. 2. I personally think Mosely and Ecclestone are killing Formula 1, and am furious that the US Grand Prix has been eliminated. I would like to see them removed from any position related to the sport as quickly as possible. Yes, I'm biased. But I don't see anything wrong with puritanism. There are a lot of little-reported psychological and sociological repercussions from the sexual revolution that no one bothers to report. (And I don't have the time to do the research, it's from a wide variety of sources over time.)
MarinerMandy MarinerMandy 7 years
A lot of people act out rape role plays; that doesn't mean in any way that they think rape is okay, it's a fantasy and you can't legislate against what people fantasize about. He broke not a single law and what happened was between consenting adults. I understand everyone being so sensitive about the whole Nazi thing, but there are lots of people out there with kinky sides and if you wanted to execute them all, you'd be left with an even more puritan country than we already have.
sugarbean sugarbean 7 years
The problems with our texting mayor in Detroit include (but are not limited to): 1) he lied under oath (double strikes for doing as an officer of the court); 2) he lied under oath in a trial that cost the (already cash strapped) city over $8 million; 3) the tryst texting indicates that he and his secretary/mistress made efforts to avoid his tax-dollar funded, on-duty personal security team; 4) police officers have lost their jobs trying to investigate the death of a woman (supposedly a stripper) that occurred during or after a party at the mayor's (tax-payer funded) mansion I have no problem with them sending personal texts so long as the content of all text messages paid for with tax dollars are subject to the sunshine laws.
sugarbean sugarbean 7 years
The problems with our texting mayor in Detroit include (but are not limited to):1) he lied under oath (double strikes for doing as an officer of the court); 2) he lied under oath in a trial that cost the (already cash strapped) city over $8 million; 3) the tryst texting indicates that he and his secretary/mistress made efforts to avoid his tax-dollar funded, on-duty personal security team; 4) police officers have lost their jobs trying to investigate the death of a woman (supposedly a stripper) that occurred during or after a party at the mayor's (tax-payer funded) mansionI have no problem with them sending personal texts so long as the content of all text messages paid for with tax dollars are subject to the sunshine laws.
Cassandra57 Cassandra57 7 years
Mandy, I have a problem with the Jewish death camp part of the saga. Also, given that the F1 is global--including Germany, Austria and England--and FIA is based in Paris, it's unfathomably bad for business. The added context of his family's association with Hitler (his parents were married at Goebbels' estate with Hitler as an honored guest), there's just a whole other level of perversion that I can't even comprehend. I know the News of the World is a tabloid, but I understand they check their stories pretty closely. In this specific case, there's also video. Which I would not recommend seeking out.
Cassandra57 Cassandra57 7 years
Mandy, I have a problem with the Jewish death camp part of the saga. Also, given that the F1 is global--including Germany, Austria and England--and FIA is based in Paris, it's unfathomably bad for business. The added context of his family's association with Hitler (his parents were married at Goebbels' estate with Hitler as an honored guest), there's just a whole other level of perversion that I can't even comprehend. I know the News of the World is a tabloid, but I understand they check their stories pretty closely. In this specific case, there's also video. Which I would not recommend seeking out.
MarinerMandy MarinerMandy 7 years
Lainetm, the guy roled played with prostitutes. I think your punishment is a wee bit harsh.
Cassandra57 Cassandra57 7 years
If it's during office hours or using state-owned equipment, I'd say it's appropriate to fire them. If it's during the individual's off time, and does not involve any illegal activities (or farm animals), I see no problem. One of the few cases where I might change that opinion came up this past weekend. Does anyone here follow Formula 1 racing, or know who Max Mosely is? That tale redefines vulgarity. : S I C K : For him, I recommend execution, and his wife should get the entire estate.
Cassandra57 Cassandra57 7 years
If it's during office hours or using state-owned equipment, I'd say it's appropriate to fire them. If it's during the individual's off time, and does not involve any illegal activities (or farm animals), I see no problem. One of the few cases where I might change that opinion came up this past weekend. Does anyone here follow Formula 1 racing, or know who Max Mosely is? That tale redefines vulgarity. : S I C K : For him, I recommend execution, and his wife should get the entire estate.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
First of all I would want to know if there was infidelity involved. If so I say give him hell if not I say whoopti doo. Secondly I'd want to know if the phone fee is a flat rate. If not I say give him hell. If so I say whoopti doo again. Same price every month no extra expense to the tax payers and just an another unnecessary intrusion into a someones private life.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 7 years
First of all I would want to know if there was infidelity involved. If so I say give him hell if not I say whoopti doo. Secondly I'd want to know if the phone fee is a flat rate. If not I say give him hell. If so I say whoopti doo again. Same price every month no extra expense to the tax payers and just an another unnecessary intrusion into a someones private life.
remedios remedios 7 years
**I could be convinced otherwise though, relating to this event in a vacuum. I haven't been following the particular scandal that closely. For example, if the questions to which he lied about should never have been asked in the first place, I'm less convinced. But if they were clearly relevant, then maybe. And if he had on his platform that the worst thing in the world is either perjury or infidelity, tried to work to increase penalties for stuff like that, then that hypocrisy would likely be enough for me.
remedios remedios 7 years
Well if convicted, maybe he can get a pardon. Kwame should resign because he's a horrible mayor. This action just contributes to that claim. In itself, I'd say not a resignation-worthy action, relatively speaking. There are MANY criminals in Congress, but I don't see massive campaigns to get all of them out (though that does pop up from time to time). Lying about the text messages / relationship is less severe than some of the crimes of those active in Congress. If we're going to complain about this, I want to hear more complaining about getting rid of the criminals in Congress. That being said - this just compounds the reasons why Kwame is a bad mayor. He does not work for Detroit's best interests. But they seem to like that. They re-elected him. This tangentially is why I moved away from Michigan.
syako syako 7 years
:oy:
syako syako 7 years
:oy:
cine_lover cine_lover 7 years
Syako apparently some people still do not believe perjury is bad.
syako syako 7 years
and isn't sad we have to "learn" that perjury is bad?
MarinerMandy MarinerMandy 7 years
Oops, sorry Syako, I completely misinterpreted what you were saying! Did nobody learn anything from Bill Clinton?
syako syako 7 years
he was.
syako syako 7 years
he was.
MarinerMandy MarinerMandy 7 years
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Kilpatrick WAS under oath when he lied.
syako syako 7 years
and I must add, he did pick a classy looking broad... :makeup:
Jude-C Jude-C 7 years
Yeah, lying under oath and perjuring oneself are the problems here, not the personal sexual peccadilloes.
cine_lover cine_lover 7 years
:rotfl: How about not using tax payers money for your sexual indiscretion and not committing perjury? Why are those two things so difficult?
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