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Should Radical Environmentalists Be Punished Like Terrorists?

Eric McDavid, a member of the Earth Liberation Front (ELF) convicted in March of planning to bomb a dam and forest service building in Northern California, has been sentenced to 19 years and seven months in prison. His actions have been called "conspiracy in an eco-terror case."

The US Attorney said of the sentence:

Today's severe punishment of nearly 20 years in federal prison should serve as a cautionary tale to those who would conspire to commit life-threatening acts in the name of their extremist views.

McDavid's family pleaded for a light sentence saying saying that their son was peaceful and caring. Another ELF member who was also charged, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit arson and testified against McDavid in exchange for a lesser sentence.

An FBI agent testified about items found in the ELF house including bottles of bleach and chemicals, and anarchist literature, some by the Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski. ELF is thought to have been behind the torching of the Seattle Street of Dreams homes earlier this year.

Do radical environmental groups like ELF really have altruistic agendas? Do they need to resort to sometimes violent acts in order to raise awareness and accomplish their mission? Does the cloak of eco-do-gooding mask a terrorist organization no different than any other? Should we punish them like terrorists even though they're trying to save the planet?

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Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
Kris, how funny! Are you tall too? I am 6'2''
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
On a side note, do you know what the difference between an environmentalist and a developer is? Answer: The environmentalist already has a house in the hills.
jennifer76 jennifer76 8 years
Exactly, UnDave. Once you resort to terrorism, your cause is no longer relevant - your actions are all that matter.
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
But if radical environmentalists use teh same tactics as a terrorist, then they should be treated as such
jennifer76 jennifer76 8 years
ALL terrorists believe they are justifiably using violence and inciting fear to further legitimate and often altruistic goals. That doesn't make the terrorism any less dangerous. I don't think radical environmentalists should be punished like terrorists, I think terrorists - regardless of their cause - should be punished like terrorists.
jennifer76 jennifer76 8 years
ALL terrorists believe they are justifiably using violence and inciting fear to further legitimate and often altruistic goals. That doesn't make the <em>terrorism</em> any less dangerous.I don't think radical environmentalists should be punished like terrorists, I think terrorists - regardless of their cause - should be punished like terrorists.
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
It depends on the "work" being done. I don't see them being much good at a coal mine
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
If you're planning to use a bomb, you're a terrorist. I don't care if you're doing it to save Sea Elephants. There are other ways to make a point. Do hummers even function as work vehicles? My dad was curious and rented one to go out to the coal mine. He said they were pretty useless as far as "work" vehicles go.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
If you're planning to use a bomb, you're a terrorist. I don't care if you're doing it to save Sea Elephants. There are other ways to make a point.Do hummers even function as work vehicles? My dad was curious and rented one to go out to the coal mine. He said they were pretty useless as far as "work" vehicles go.
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
Bombing, or setting fire to a building or structure out of anger, or to send a message is terrorism. Anyone involved in terrorism should be jailed for a long time, or condemed to die, or lose someone close in a terrorist act.
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
Yep, GS, that's my name :)
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
Yep, GS, that's my name :)
KrisSugar KrisSugar 8 years
I swear GS, you look just like me. I was like how the heck did that person get my picture? like, my heart just sank for a minute. who has hijacked my computer? :) i just called my coworker in here and i was like WHO does this look like? and she said "Is that you?" ha!
KrisSugar KrisSugar 8 years
I swear GS, you look just like me. I was like how the heck did that person get my picture? like, my heart just sank for a minute. who has hijacked my computer? :) i just called my coworker in here and i was like WHO does this look like? and she said "Is that you?" ha!
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
Jude, is that your real name? My daughters name is Jude!
Jillness Jillness 8 years
I don't understand why someone who is for the environment would torch a multiple homes, sending chemicals and waste into the air.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
I don't understand why someone who is for the environment would torch a multiple homes, sending chemicals and waste into the air.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
Speaking of auto's both BMW and Honda have water powered mid sized sedans now. I say if the technology proves it's self over the next few years we should invest in desalinization technology. That way all the cars running on desalinized water can beat back the effects of rising oceans due to global warming. Who knew that cars could save the world? LOL!
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
Speaking of auto's both BMW and Honda have water powered mid sized sedans now. I say if the technology proves it's self over the next few years we should invest in desalinization technology. That way all the cars running on desalinized water can beat back the effects of rising oceans due to global warming. Who knew that cars could save the world? LOL!
Jillness Jillness 8 years
I think anyone who commits planned intentional violence against another person is a danger to society, and should be treated as such. I don't care what your cause is, bombs are not toys. I think that people that just sit in trees should be treated differently. Once you cross that line though, you have to be held accountable for your actions.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
I think anyone who commits planned intentional violence against another person is a danger to society, and should be treated as such. I don't care what your cause is, bombs are not toys.I think that people that just sit in trees should be treated differently. Once you cross that line though, you have to be held accountable for your actions.
historymystery historymystery 8 years
Jude, I see those things once in a while here in Toronto....mostly when the Film Festival is on in Sept and occassionally when there's a lot of filming going on (both US films and Canadian, so blame is equal). I'm still wondering why people need SUVs in the city, and now Hummers. Blah. (for the record, except for my husband's motorcycle, we are vehicleless. I take transit to work and walk everywhere. ;) So I can be all smug and mocking of urban car people. lol. Country and small town people I understand.)
historymystery historymystery 8 years
Jude, I see those things once in a while here in Toronto....mostly when the Film Festival is on in Sept and occassionally when there's a lot of filming going on (both US films and Canadian, so blame is equal). I'm still wondering why people need SUVs in the city, and now Hummers. Blah. (for the record, except for my husband's motorcycle, we are vehicleless. I take transit to work and walk everywhere. ;) So I can be all smug and mocking of urban car people. lol. Country and small town people I understand.)
historymystery historymystery 8 years
:) It was a little disconcerting when we realized that the owner of that stupid thing was the Church. There's someone in the neighbourhood with a yellow one too, but I've not figured out who that is.
historymystery historymystery 8 years
:) It was a little disconcerting when we realized that the owner of that stupid thing was the Church. There's someone in the neighbourhood with a yellow one too, but I've not figured out who that is.
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