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Sick? US Hospitals Deport Patients, Israelis Interrogate Them

Security and financial concerns are preventing some patients' ability to receive medical care both in the US and Palestine.

American hospitals are independently deporting seriously ill or injured undocumented immigrants because of the financial burden, according to an extensive report in the New York Times. Without any intervention of federal or state officials, hospitals privately employ ambulances, air ambulances, or commercial plans to send home immigrants that can't find US nursing homes that will accept them without insurance. Often a death sentence, the only other option to deportation is keeping the immigrants indefinitely in high-cost acute-care treatment.

Across the world in Gaza, Israeli officials are allegedly denying urgent medical care to Palestinians because Gaza residents refuse to spy on their community. To see what those seeking care have to say,

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Would-be patients say that, Israeli police interrogate those trying to leave and pressure Palestinians to provide information about their community, if they want the emergency medical care only available in Israel. Those who refuse to collaborate must face the rundown hospitals available in the besieged Gaza strip. Israel admits no wrongdoing, saying that it denies entry for medical treatment for security reasons.

Should saving lives trump concerns like national security and economic survival?

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stephley stephley 7 years
Same here Adrianac, both stories are sickening.
True-Song True-Song 7 years
I feel the same way! Healthcare should not be bound by borders.
adrianac7 adrianac7 7 years
So why isn't anyone talking about Israel denying urgent medical care to Palestinians? What are your thoughts?
True-Song True-Song 7 years
It'd be pretty quiet if only person were allowed to say an idea.
MartiniLush MartiniLush 7 years
sw33tlovin, as stephley points out, it can't be said enough! Besides, it just goes to show that brilliant minds think alike! :highfive:
stephley stephley 7 years
I don't think it can be said often enough.
sw33tlovin sw33tlovin 7 years
oops. just read the comments and realized i said a little bit of what martinilush said. sorry .. didn't mean to repeat your brilliant thought :)
sw33tlovin sw33tlovin 7 years
holy shit. that is really crazy. i bet they were really hoping this wouldn't get out .. probably paying more money to keep it "private" then what it would cost to save these people.i can't even imagine ...who are the people who have to help with the deporting? they must feel like shit.
sw33tlovin sw33tlovin 7 years
holy shit. that is really crazy. i bet they were really hoping this wouldn't get out .. probably paying more money to keep it "private" then what it would cost to save these people. i can't even imagine ... who are the people who have to help with the deporting? they must feel like shit.
Jazz-Z Jazz-Z 7 years
I don't think the cost of the plane flight would offset a $200,000 surgery, for example. It appears the plane has what it needs to keep the terminally ill alive before reaching their destination, and hopefully they at least provide the critically injured whatever they need to make the flight bearable. It is apparently more than they are doing for some Americans who can't pay their bill.If I were terminally ill illegal or not, I think I would just suggest they accidentally drop about 10 valium and 4 painpills in my mouth before giving me a drink of water. Why make more people pay to delay the inevitable...including your children.
Jazz-Z Jazz-Z 7 years
I don't think the cost of the plane flight would offset a $200,000 surgery, for example. It appears the plane has what it needs to keep the terminally ill alive before reaching their destination, and hopefully they at least provide the critically injured whatever they need to make the flight bearable. It is apparently more than they are doing for some Americans who can't pay their bill. If I were terminally ill illegal or not, I think I would just suggest they accidentally drop about 10 valium and 4 painpills in my mouth before giving me a drink of water. Why make more people pay to delay the inevitable...including your children.
MartiniLush MartiniLush 7 years
"...hospitals privately employ ambulances, air ambulances, or commercial plans to send home immigrants..."How much does it cost to privately employ an ambulance, or to pay for a commerical airline ticket?? I think I would prefer that they put this money towards taking care of these poor people! What happened to the Hippocratic oath?
MartiniLush MartiniLush 7 years
"...hospitals privately employ ambulances, air ambulances, or commercial plans to send home immigrants..." How much does it cost to privately employ an ambulance, or to pay for a commerical airline ticket?? I think I would prefer that they put this money towards taking care of these poor people! What happened to the Hippocratic oath?
Jazz-Z Jazz-Z 7 years
I guess I thought it made more sense that organic was being sarcastic. So maybe I should sell my home to help the terminally ill illegal alien so I won't be put in jail for murder? I think the boundaries of inhumanity were defined when there were girls drowning in the ocean in France and no one on the beach would get off their as_es to try to save them nor even off their cell phones or stop eating when their bodies were lying right next to them.Even though I love this country, it certainly isn't the place to be if you can't pay your way, and I don't think that is going to change too soon. http://www.tortdeform.com/archives/2007/06/do_la_hospitals_just_hate_poor_1.htmlEnter the topic of: (American) patient dumping —a hospital just takes their homeless or indigent patients, puts them in a taxi cab and drops them off somewhere downtown, where it is assumed that nearby missions will take care of them. Two hospitals, Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center in Los Feliz and Methodist Hospital in Arcadia, were involved in four alleged incidents of patient dumping over the course of 14 months. In one case, they dumped a 54-year-old paraplegic patient on the street. He was still wearing a colostomy bag, and “was found crawling in a gutter near a skid row park in February,” according to the Los Angeles Times. L.A. City Attorneys have been investigating this for months and recently took legal action against the hospital, exploring the possibility of criminal prosecution against one of them and civil claims against both.
Jazz-Z Jazz-Z 7 years
I guess I thought it made more sense that organic was being sarcastic. So maybe I should sell my home to help the terminally ill illegal alien so I won't be put in jail for murder? I think the boundaries of inhumanity were defined when there were girls drowning in the ocean in France and no one on the beach would get off their as_es to try to save them nor even off their cell phones or stop eating when their bodies were lying right next to them. Even though I love this country, it certainly isn't the place to be if you can't pay your way, and I don't think that is going to change too soon. http://www.tortdeform.com/archives/2007/06/do_la_hospitals_just_hate_poor_1.html Enter the topic of: (American) patient dumping —a hospital just takes their homeless or indigent patients, puts them in a taxi cab and drops them off somewhere downtown, where it is assumed that nearby missions will take care of them. Two hospitals, Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center in Los Feliz and Methodist Hospital in Arcadia, were involved in four alleged incidents of patient dumping over the course of 14 months. In one case, they dumped a 54-year-old paraplegic patient on the street. He was still wearing a colostomy bag, and “was found crawling in a gutter near a skid row park in February,” according to the Los Angeles Times. L.A. City Attorneys have been investigating this for months and recently took legal action against the hospital, exploring the possibility of criminal prosecution against one of them and civil claims against both.
Matamoros Matamoros 7 years
Everybody gets sick some day. Everybody dies some day. The only fight is about who is going to pay for it. They should have two types of taxes. One for Liberals to pay for all their programs, and one for conservatives. They are in the country illegally? Kick them out. They will die if they are sent to their own country? I'm willing to take that chance. Liberals are free to reach into their pockets and pay for any of these folks' medical care. The problem is, they also want to reach into mine. No thanks. I would rather pay for a plane ticket. I already pay 40% of my income for a litany of misguided liberal crapola that does nothing whatsoever.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
Yeah me too. I thought that your posts were sarcastic. My bad. :oops: I think we actually completely agree.
True-Song True-Song 7 years
I'm getting really confused by your comments, organicsugr. I can't tell what's sarcastic.
organicsugr organicsugr 7 years
Of course they should. Everyone is entitled to health care. It's a basic human right.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
alright organicsugr...so what about it you're traveling in Europe and injure yourself are you saying that they shouldn't have to treat you?
Jazz-Z Jazz-Z 7 years
:rotfl:
Jazz-Z Jazz-Z 7 years
:rotfl:
organicsugr organicsugr 7 years
Stephley is right. Anyone who does not donate all of their resources to save any one person has committed murder. That includes everyone on this board. Let us not forget that human life is sacred.
stephley stephley 7 years
It's slightly less cruel because his mother wouldn't have to watch him die. And I'm only being sarcastic to a point. What's the difference between putting him out of his misery on the scene and sticking a critically injured human being on a plane to a place where you know he won't be properly cared for? It is deliberately causing the death a human being either way. "Thou shalt not kill" seems to come with more exceptions than any other commandment.
stephley stephley 7 years
It's slightly less cruel because his mother wouldn't have to watch him die. And I'm only being sarcastic to a point. What's the difference between putting him out of his misery on the scene and sticking a critically injured human being on a plane to a place where you know he won't be properly cared for? It is deliberately causing the death a human being either way. "Thou shalt not kill" seems to come with more exceptions than any other commandment.
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