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States Ask For Citizenship From Welfare Recipients

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States Ask For Citizenship From Welfare Recipients
Michigan and Nebraska appear to be the only states so far that won't give cash assistance unless proof of citizenship is shown, although Missouri is joining their ranks. Some states, such as Virginia, require applicants to show a birth certificate or Social Security number. But they allow applicants to sign an affidavit of citizenship if they can't provide the documents — Michigan and Nebraska don't have that out. The proof of citizenship requirements are being promoted as a way to keep people who are in the country illegally from getting government assistance.

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lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
But now that I see what you meant, I do agree that documented people who are not citizens should still get benefits because they still pay taxes, etc.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
I guess the part of your post I was questioning was when you said the government makes money off undocumented people. The people who are here legally but are not citizens would still be documented.
stephley stephley 8 years
I like Buzz Sugar's quizzes, easier than trying to figure out who's completely covering their fact...
stephley stephley 8 years
Congrats Piper - Now just 5,000 more...Lilkimbo - I'm simply pointing out that the states make money from people who may not be able to prove citizenship because they fall between legal citizen and illegal, and we don't distinguish when the cash is rolling in.
stephley stephley 8 years
Congrats Piper - Now just 5,000 more... Lilkimbo - I'm simply pointing out that the states make money from people who may not be able to prove citizenship because they fall between legal citizen and illegal, and we don't distinguish when the cash is rolling in.
piper23 piper23 8 years
Thank you, thank you, thank you! You can only answer so many "guess whos" before you start to lose it.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
Congrats, piper!:pepino: :kool: :highfive:
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
Congrats, piper! :pepino: :kool: :highfive:
piper23 piper23 8 years
Other than that, I'm having a great PLATINUM day! Finally. Took forever.
stephley stephley 8 years
Oy, better you than me today Piper!
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
Stephley, I agree that citizenship shouldn't always be a requirement, but being here legally should. It seems like the study you quoted includes all immigrants. How does this show that we (collectively, not as individuals) make money off of undocumented people?As far as the greater issue at hand, I think it makes the most sense to provide these people with benefits and with assistance in obtaining the proper documentation. If they cannot provide that documentation within a certain amount of time (and with the assistance provided, i.e. the $10 the woman needed for a birth certificate), their benefits should be revoked. Obviously you cannot make them pay for health care they already received, but you could stop them from receiving Medicaid in the future.Of course, I will also go with my (and cine's) battle cry. It's a state issue!
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
Stephley, I agree that citizenship shouldn't always be a requirement, but being here legally should. It seems like the study you quoted includes all immigrants. How does this show that we (collectively, not as individuals) make money off of undocumented people? As far as the greater issue at hand, I think it makes the most sense to provide these people with benefits and with assistance in obtaining the proper documentation. If they cannot provide that documentation within a certain amount of time (and with the assistance provided, i.e. the $10 the woman needed for a birth certificate), their benefits should be revoked. Obviously you cannot make them pay for health care they already received, but you could stop them from receiving Medicaid in the future. Of course, I will also go with my (and cine's) battle cry. It's a state issue!
piper23 piper23 8 years
I totally read that wrong, thanks for the correction.
stephley stephley 8 years
Look it up, that's what I did. That was just one random state - what do you think it is for states with more businesses that use illegals?
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
errr fare?
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
errr fare?
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
The study is just for the state of Arkansas. How does the rest of the country fair?
stephley stephley 8 years
No, no one is advocating randomly handing out money to people who break the law. I simply am pointing out that before anyone gets all high and mighty about giving away OUR money to people who cannot prove citizenship (the issue here is proving citizenship) - and between absolutely legal and snuck into the country illegally there are people who fall into a grey area - we need to understand that some of OUR money comes from THEM. That's all. Now you can all go nuts on how we need to protect our hard earned everything from THEM.
stephley stephley 8 years
No, no one is advocating randomly handing out money to people who break the law. I simply am pointing out that before anyone gets all high and mighty about giving away OUR money to people who cannot prove citizenship (the issue here is proving citizenship) - and between absolutely legal and snuck into the country illegally there are people who fall into a grey area - we need to understand that some of OUR money comes from THEM. That's all. Now you can all go nuts on how we need to protect our hard earned everything from THEM.
flutterpie flutterpie 8 years
sooooo we should just give them money because they broke the law stephly?
stephley stephley 8 years
creating a net gain of $19-million.
piper23 piper23 8 years
If those numbers are true then that's a deficit of $17.7 million that the people of Arkansas have to pick up.
stephley stephley 8 years
The government makes money off undocumented people:"Last month, the Little Rock-based Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation released a study on the economic impact of immigrants in Arkansas that concluded that in 2004 the state paid $36.7 million for health services provided to all immigrants and their U.S.- born children...The study also concluded immigrants generate enough economic activity and pay enough in taxes to create a net gain of $19 million for the state budget."
stephley stephley 8 years
The government makes money off undocumented people: "Last month, the Little Rock-based Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation released a study on the economic impact of immigrants in Arkansas that concluded that in 2004 the state paid $36.7 million for health services provided to all immigrants and their U.S.- born children... The study also concluded immigrants generate enough economic activity and pay enough in taxes to create a net gain of $19 million for the state budget."
piper23 piper23 8 years
That seems like a no-brainer to me. The lady depicted in the story is an example of how the requirement can hurt people in need. But at the same time, how can you give government assistance to undocumented people?
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