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Ten Fingerprint Scan at JFK

More Biometrics? Should Your Fingerprint Be Your ID?


If you're a foreign traveler heading into JFK airport, be ready to have all ten digits scanned. As part of a heightened security plan, the Department of Homeland Security just announced an upgrade from a two-finger scan to ten. Officials say,

"Biometrics have revolutionized our ability to prevent dangerous people from entering the United States since 2004. Our upgrade to 10-fingerprint collection builds on our success, enabling us to focus more attention on stopping potential security risks."

It's not just in the name of safety, however. Businesses like Dunkin' Donuts are increasingly using the scan-erators to keep tabs on employee whereabouts. Companies claim they use them to streamline administration, though employees resent the biological intrusion. Ed Ott, executive director of the New York City Central Labor Council of the AFL-CIO says, "They don't even have to hire someone to harass you anymore. The machine can do it for them. The palm print thing really grabs people as a step too far."

Is the use of biometrics too prevalent and James Bond-esque? Do you worry about your civil liberties?

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i-am-awesomeness i-am-awesomeness 8 years
Yes this is TOO much. It totally reminds me of a bad science fiction novel. Everyday I hear these stories, I don't understand why agnostics don't see the Bible as truth. Everything predicted in Revelation is slowly but surely becoming real. And yes I know that people have predicted the apocalypse since hundreds of years ago, but it gets more real every day. When you think that this sort of biometric scanning is "safe", you're just replacing one "threat" with another. This is not going to keep Americans and other visitors safe from terrorism. This is going to keep Americans vulnerable to identity theft, and security issues. The Real ID act is another issue similar to this. Barack seems like a great dude and yay for the whole racial equality thing, seriously. I like him as a person. But as a politician, I cannot trust him knowing that he supports the Real ID act. I DO NOT support the government having so much control and influence over our lives. The next thing you know, they'll be monitoring where we go, who we talk to, etc. just like they monitor common criminals right now. Give people an inch, they'll take a mile. Please wake up people. This is madness. Didn't you hear the report: there really weren't any weapons of mass destruction.
ellipsery ellipsery 8 years
And Orwell rolls in his grave...
mymellowman mymellowman 8 years
Oh, it's a documentary from the future. It came back through the time machine at Costco. :true:
Cassandra57 Cassandra57 8 years
I love Idiocracy, but I can't decide whether it's a comedy or a documentary. ::(:
MandyJoBo MandyJoBo 8 years
My boyfriend is ISO (Information Security Officer) at his company, which handles medical records. He has a federal duty to ensure these records stay secure. He implemented a few biometric security procedures, including fingerprints. I like it. He put my print on his laptop too, so if I ever lose mine and my desktop on the same day, I can use his. I just enjoy going *swipe* "Access Granted".
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
Too much profanity? No such thing. :yaar:
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
Aww I posted my fav. quote from Idiocracy and it got flagged! Shoot! Too much profanity!
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
HA! I can't believe you quoted Idiocracy! Hysterical!! My fav quote - its the scene in the future where he goes to the Dr. and the Dr. says "It says here you're f'd up, you talk like a _, and you're sh*ts all retarded." Everytime I think of that it makes me laugh so hard!
FireItUp FireItUp 8 years
I'm not sure. It has it's pros and cons. I guess I would have to see it put in motion before I gave my real opinion.
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
:rotfl: 3M! I love that movie! And I would like to add, I would not get a chip implanted in my arm. Give me an old fashion credit card any day! :foggy:
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
I am just going to copy and paste lil, because this is exactly what I want to say, but she said it first and better then I can. ;) I would have to look at this on a case-by-case basis. As far as the JFK situation goes, I am all for using the 10-finger scan, especially seeing as they already use a 2-finger scan. As for Dunkin' Donuts, working there or anywhere is a privilege, not a right. If you disagree with a company's identification practices, you are free to not work there. Benalby, I understand your point, but do you have any evidence of finger scans being easily duplicated/stolen by others? That article was short, but it seemed to me like that person made scans of her own fingers and "fooled" the machines. I think it would be much more difficult to make scans of someone else's fingers. Also, I believe some fingerprint machines also look at the blood vessels underneath your finger tip. How could that be duplicated? Also, if someone steals your social security number, it's definitely not easy to replace. Identity theft costs people millions of dollars every year, and it's much easier to steal someone's social security number than to steal someone's biometrics. Hey, maybe someday we'll all have microchips implanted in our bodies and use them for identification and to pay for everything. They say it's the wave of the future!
mymellowman mymellowman 8 years
IPPA Computer: Welcome to the Identity Processsing Program of Uhmerica! Please insert your forearm into the forearm receptacle! [Joe inserts his arm] IPPA Computer: Thank you! Please speak your name as it appears on your current federal identity card, document G24L8! Pvt. Joe Bowers: I'm not sure if... IPPA Computer: You have entered the name "Not Sure." Is this correct, Not Sure? Pvt. Joe Bowers: No, it's not correct... IPPA Computer: Thank you! "Not" is correct. Is "Sure" correct? Pvt. Joe Bowers: No, it's not, my name is Joe... IPPA Computer: You have already confirmed your first name is "Not." Please confirm your last name, "Sure." Pvt. Joe Bowers: My last name is not "Sure!" IPPA Computer: Thank you, Not Sure! Pvt. Joe Bowers: No, what I mean is my name is Joe... IPPA Computer: Confirmation is complete. Please wait while I tattoo your new identity on your arm!
mymellowman mymellowman 8 years
I think it is a tough balancing act. All in all, I am more concerned with that fact that it has come out that the US Government has outsourced the production of US Passports to overseas, including a company in Thailand that was a vicitim of Chinese espionage.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
I would have to look at this on a case-by-case basis. As far as the JFK situation goes, I am all for using the 10-finger scan, especially seeing as they already use a 2-finger scan. As for Dunkin' Donuts, working there or anywhere is a privilege, not a right. If you disagree with a company's identification practices, you are free to not work there. Benalby, I understand your point, but do you have any evidence of finger scans being easily duplicated/stolen by others? That article was short, but it seemed to me like that person made scans of her own fingers and "fooled" the machines. I think it would be much more difficult to make scans of someone else's fingers. Also, I believe some fingerprint machines also look at the blood vessels underneath your finger tip. How could that be duplicated? Also, if someone steals your social security number, it's definitely not easy to replace. Identity theft costs people millions of dollars every year, and it's much easier to steal someone's social security number than to steal someone's biometrics. Hey, maybe someday we'll all have microchips implanted in our bodies and use them for identification and to pay for everything. They say it's the wave of the future!
Shopaholichunny Shopaholichunny 8 years
:ROTFL: Racic
raciccarone raciccarone 8 years
I prefer the bar code tattoo on my face. It's easier to scan.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
Very good point Beanalby, but I think a way to get around that is a self destruct program if you will. Where the scan and identification are taken accepted then information destroyed.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
Sure, this harkens back to the topic re: Internet Voting and security issues. Finger print and retina scans are the most precise measure of identity we have aside form DNA testing but I'm sure my banker does not relish the prospect of swabbing my cheek for DNA every time I come in.
NYFashionista NYFashionista 8 years
Ooo..good point Beanalby. I never thought of that (reminds me of Gattica!)
Beanalby Beanalby 8 years
There are huge problem with using biometrics for authentication - the ease of which they're duplicated, and the fact that they're irrevocable. Fingerprint scanners are notoriously easy to fool. http://www.engadget.com/2004/07/19/gelatin-vs-biometrics/ Then there's the fact that if someone is able to duplicate your fingerprint/retina scan/tastebud pattern, you're boned for life. If someone steals your username/password, you can replace it. If someone steals or duplicates your smartcard for login, you can replace it. You only have ONE set if biometric data. If that gets compromised, there's nothing you can ever do to change them.
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