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Ten States Get New Sanctions to Stop Teacher/Student Sex

Ten states have taken action and at least four more states are considering legislation to stop sexually abusive teachers. The new sanctions follow a stream of arrests and reports that have documented the growing problem of educators victimizing students — like the case of Debra LaFave, pictured here.

A nationwide Associated Press investigation found 2,570 educators lost their teaching credentials or were punished from 2001 through 2005 after allegations of sexual misconduct. The number seems high, but experts say the problem is even bigger than those numbers suggest. Many cases go unreported as victims fear retribution and accusations are difficult to prove. To see which states are doing what,

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Utah's legislation permanently revokes the licenses of sexually abusive teachers, while Maine's law shares information about teachers disciplined for any reason (including inappropriate sex) with other states

New York has a new investigation funding — New York currently has more than 800 pending cases, most involving sex with students. South Carolina, Florida, Ohio, Kansas, Minnesota and Virginia, also have new programs, and measures are still being considered in California, Colorado, Delaware and Massachusetts.

Proposals failed to win legislative approval in Indiana, Missouri, South Dakota, Washington state and West Virginia.

The South Carolina superintendent says of the need for change, "so much of what schools do is based on trust. Not only must kids trust their teachers, but parents have to trust those teachers too. And schools have to earn that trust each and every day." Will new laws help? Is there something in our culture that's making teacher/student relations more common?

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popgoestheworld popgoestheworld 8 years
It's hardly surprising this happens. I personally know many people who slept with their teachers and/or coaches. I think if it's consentual it shouldn't be such a big deal. I know I'm going to get railed for this but whatever. In the circumstances I was familiar with it was the girl who was madly pursuing the guy. Obviously a highly ethical man would turn them down. But people don't always think straight when nubile women are throwing themselves at them. 12 years in jail? No way. That's just crazy.
popgoestheworld popgoestheworld 8 years
It's hardly surprising this happens. I personally know many people who slept with their teachers and/or coaches. I think if it's consentual it shouldn't be such a big deal. I know I'm going to get railed for this but whatever. In the circumstances I was familiar with it was the girl who was madly pursuing the guy. Obviously a highly ethical man would turn them down. But people don't always think straight when nubile women are throwing themselves at them. 12 years in jail? No way. That's just crazy.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
I'm reading a new book called "who we are when we're alone". I think I should send these teachers a copy. I think we can all agree here that the act is simply wrong and no teacher has any business indulging their own temptations or the flatteries of a student. Even if the student is the aggressor the buck stops with the teacher because they are the adult in the situation who is entrusted with the task of holding certain guidelines in place. Any teacher who can not tote the line should be removed from teaching any minors what so ever and move on to college where it may be inappropriate but certainly not illegal. I have a friend who is an extraordinarily attractive man and teacher and he tells me the girls eyes are on him like white on rice. No excuse for the teachers but because our children in general are so sexualized now as early as eight years old it just ads to the dilemma. Having said that human frailty is part of our fabric like it or not. Temptation in what ever manor be it doughnuts, shopping, gambling or sex is a powerful counter point to our will. But it is also a necessary evil because with out temptation there would be no power in choice.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
I'm reading a new book called "who we are when we're alone". I think I should send these teachers a copy. I think we can all agree here that the act is simply wrong and no teacher has any business indulging their own temptations or the flatteries of a student. Even if the student is the aggressor the buck stops with the teacher because they are the adult in the situation who is entrusted with the task of holding certain guidelines in place. Any teacher who can not tote the line should be removed from teaching any minors what so ever and move on to college where it may be inappropriate but certainly not illegal. I have a friend who is an extraordinarily attractive man and teacher and he tells me the girls eyes are on him like white on rice. No excuse for the teachers but because our children in general are so sexualized now as early as eight years old it just ads to the dilemma. Having said that human frailty is part of our fabric like it or not. Temptation in what ever manor be it doughnuts, shopping, gambling or sex is a powerful counter point to our will. But it is also a necessary evil because with out temptation there would be no power in choice.
raciccarone raciccarone 8 years
I'm so conflicted. The man who was once a boy says that if a grown woman wants to have sex with a teenage boy, what's the harm? And then the man who watches Cinemax late at night says it'd be great to film some of this. What? Too soon? :selfloathing: Oh, they don't have an icon for self loathing? Sorry.
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
"It degrades the bigger crimes in my mind... rape the same girl, same punishment?"I agree with this statement, but I feel that the punishment for rape should go up, not the other way around. The teachers KNOW what they are doing is wrong. Besides, like all other crimes, they won't do the 12 years.
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
"It degrades the bigger crimes in my mind... rape the same girl, same punishment?" I agree with this statement, but I feel that the punishment for rape should go up, not the other way around. The teachers KNOW what they are doing is wrong. Besides, like all other crimes, they won't do the 12 years.
j2e1n9 j2e1n9 8 years
I agree meg. I also think that AZ has a lot of weird sentencing requirements. I've met too many people who spent time in jail there for the STUPIDEST things.
megnmac megnmac 8 years
cine - I agree on making it a real crime and having some teeth, but up to 12 years for a 1st offense? I just think somewhere in between... there is always some hot button issue (meth, teachers) and the legislature will pass laws showing how important the issue is and make it the same as the biggest and worst and most violent crimes. More than the 1 year it otherwise is here to sleep with 15-18 year olds seems warranted, but up to 12? It degrades the bigger crimes in my mind... rape the same girl, same punishment? Doesn't make sense... I guess I'm thinking mid level felony, more around up to 4 years. But then I spent my whole life splitting these hairs and trying to reason why one crime is life another is 1.5 to 3 and another is 4 to 10.
megnmac megnmac 8 years
cine - I agree on making it a real crime and having some teeth, but up to 12 years for a 1st offense? I just think somewhere in between... there is always some hot button issue (meth, teachers) and the legislature will pass laws showing how important the issue is and make it the same as the biggest and worst and most violent crimes. More than the 1 year it otherwise is here to sleep with 15-18 year olds seems warranted, but up to 12? It degrades the bigger crimes in my mind... rape the same girl, same punishment? Doesn't make sense... I guess I'm thinking mid level felony, more around up to 4 years. But then I spent my whole life splitting these hairs and trying to reason why one crime is life another is 1.5 to 3 and another is 4 to 10.
sexylibrarian sexylibrarian 8 years
As a teacher and a liberal I feel that I must comment on this topic. First of all liberals have morals just like the rest of you! Second of all there are sexual predators in all professions and positions of power. Middle school boys and girls are very aware of their sexuality these days. As teachers it is our job to make sure they see us as their teacher and trusted adult, not some they want to "date". Teachers are professionals and should act as such.
terryt18 terryt18 8 years
I had only one hot teacher and he was a sub and I sure would've slept with him. Kinda wish I had've. So wrong, but feels so right, you know?
j2e1n9 j2e1n9 8 years
I also love how in this picture of Debra LaFave above, it looks like she must be wearing a yellow rhinestone wife-beater tank top underneath of a black suit blazer. Classy.
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
Sy, I get contacted by people who I am not friends with all the time. I always wonder why they want to be my friend. If I don't talk to you then there is a reason for that. I did move a lot in my life so I lost contacts with a lot of my friends. For this reason alone I was really happy I joined networking sites. I reconnected with some amazing people from my past that I can't imagine being without now. But I do completely understand why you would not want one. :)
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
Sy, I get contacted by people who I am not friends with all the time. I always wonder why they want to be my friend. If I don't talk to you then there is a reason for that. I did move a lot in my life so I lost contacts with a lot of my friends. For this reason alone I was really happy I joined networking sites. I reconnected with some amazing people from my past that I can't imagine being without now.But I do completely understand why you would not want one. :)
melizzle melizzle 8 years
Seriously? I'll never understand this... when I taught high school, all I could think about was, "Why isn't corporal punishment legal?" The last thing on my mind was getting in the pants of my students!
Shopaholichunny Shopaholichunny 8 years
I agree cine. Too many 6, 7, or 8 yr olds wearing make-up and dressing sexy. :oy:
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
meg, I think it does warrant a harsher punishment because they are using power to have sex with their students. It is an abuse of authority.
syako syako 8 years
Yes. I know. I still don't want people who I'm not in contact with (normally for a reason) suddenly bug me asking to be my 'friend' again. They can call me if they want to really be friends...
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
I am still not aware of my sexuality ;) Sy, you can keep your profiles private so you are not out there. I think people would be very bored to look at my pics, but if I were a teacher or in a profession where my personal life mattered, I would not use the sites.
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
I am still not aware of my sexuality ;) Sy, you can keep your profiles private so you are not out there. I think people would be very bored to look at my pics, but if I were a teacher or in a profession where my personal life mattered, I would not use the sites.
j2e1n9 j2e1n9 8 years
Exactly. Its messed up. I dated a guy who had been a teacher before we ever met, and he admitted to sleeping with two of his students right after the school year ended and they turned 18. He was 30. Anyways, dumped him not long after learning this. I think its pretty gross that he taught them the whole year, basically just waiting for them to be legal/legit. Also, those girls are stupid, uh teacher, I'm 18 now, we can have sex!
megnmac megnmac 8 years
AZ just made it a class 2 felony (same class as rape, molest, murder) for sexual conduct with anyone under 18 if the defendant is the victim's teacher. It is otherwise the lowest class felony if the victim is 15+ (unless the relationship is parental, also sick). Yes, this is sick and wrong and the position of trust is violated... but I still am not sure it rises to the same class as rape, serious aggravated assaults, etc. 16 isn't an age of consent, but it isn't an 8 year old either. I remember the star of our basketball team married her coach after he was fired for being with her... she was varsity all 4 years and around junior or senior year things just exploded when the rumors were substantiated. It is just sick, and I agree w/ YY that it is gross from the teacher's side. A lot of focus is always on the victim, whether they wanted it. Focus on the offender, CRAZY GROSS.
megnmac megnmac 8 years
AZ just made it a class 2 felony (same class as rape, molest, murder) for sexual conduct with anyone under 18 if the defendant is the victim's teacher. It is otherwise the lowest class felony if the victim is 15+ (unless the relationship is parental, also sick). Yes, this is sick and wrong and the position of trust is violated... but I still am not sure it rises to the same class as rape, serious aggravated assaults, etc. 16 isn't an age of consent, but it isn't an 8 year old either.I remember the star of our basketball team married her coach after he was fired for being with her... she was varsity all 4 years and around junior or senior year things just exploded when the rumors were substantiated.It is just sick, and I agree w/ YY that it is gross from the teacher's side. A lot of focus is always on the victim, whether they wanted it. Focus on the offender, CRAZY GROSS.
Kimpossible Kimpossible 8 years
cine I agree with you completely.
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