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msterias msterias 7 years
And Cadet, I agree with your last comment about Obama's fan following. It is actually what turns me off about him. His supporters adore him because he speaks prettily about hopes and dreams of changing America. But nobody ever questions his ability to fulfill his promises, despite his experience, or lack thereof. I hardly think that a man with barely 3 years in the Senate is capable of leading an entire country. But who knows, with his luck and momentum, and those die-hard fans of his just might push him all the way to the WH.
msterias msterias 7 years
Regarding the war: in hindsight, yes, most of us will agree that it was a tragic decision made based on potentially false reasons. But at that time, when terrorism was such a huge deal (funny how Osama is so far from our minds these days), war posed as a probable option. We are condemning the war now only because the attempt completely and utterly failed (no traces of WMD, Iraq is still a politically unstable state, high casualties etc). But if USA had succeeded in conquering all of the aforementioned issues, all of the public opinions about the war would probably be reversed. Again, it's easy for us to say no to war because we're not the ones dealing with tyrant dictators who has extremist militant groups at their beck and call, or professional terrorists whose capabilities were evident in 911. I'm not pro-war, heck, I'm not even American. I only think that it's easy for someone to make claims based on ideal morals when you're not in a position of power.
luvhouse07 luvhouse07 7 years
I love them both -- Hillary and Tina. That being said, I don't think that Tina voicing her opinion on the election in a comical way is any different than Stevie Wonder singing at the Obama Rally. Both were just endorsing their candidate uing their respective talents.
luvhouse07 luvhouse07 7 years
I love them both -- Hillary and Tina.That being said, I don't think that Tina voicing her opinion on the election in a comical way is any different than Stevie Wonder singing at the Obama Rally. Both were just endorsing their candidate uing their respective talents.
mandy_frost mandy_frost 7 years
If folks are going to call Hillary a b*tch, then supporters (such as Tina) are going to have to adopt the language and make it positive. It was not only really funny. It was brilliant as well. The entire reason the Vagina Monologues were written was to empower yourself with language that is supposedly bad. I think it is the same reason that several of my favorite rap songs (all by African American men) use the n word. They don't want it to have a negative connotation anymore. (It is also for these reasons that I am REALLY annoyed with the new wordish thing -- vajayjay. I HATE that word-esque thing -- and refuse to call it word.) In all, I support Hillary but even if I didn't, I'd think Tina's speech was brilliant for the reasons I just outlined.
mandy_frost mandy_frost 7 years
If folks are going to call Hillary a b*tch, then supporters (such as Tina) are going to have to adopt the language and make it positive. It was not only really funny. It was brilliant as well.The entire reason the Vagina Monologues were written was to empower yourself with language that is supposedly bad. I think it is the same reason that several of my favorite rap songs (all by African American men) use the n word. They don't want it to have a negative connotation anymore. (It is also for these reasons that I am REALLY annoyed with the new wordish thing -- vajayjay. I HATE that word-esque thing -- and refuse to call it word.)In all, I support Hillary but even if I didn't, I'd think Tina's speech was brilliant for the reasons I just outlined.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
Love the yoda trejolie! That is an interesting thought, Cadet. Especially because most Democrats probably agree so much on the majority of issues, it is just the implimentation and savy that comes into question. No matter who the nominee is, it will be interesting to see how things go once the "teams" unite!
Jillness Jillness 7 years
Love the yoda trejolie!That is an interesting thought, Cadet. Especially because most Democrats probably agree so much on the majority of issues, it is just the implimentation and savy that comes into question. No matter who the nominee is, it will be interesting to see how things go once the "teams" unite!
Cadet Cadet 7 years
Maybe what we democratic supporters really have is a different idea of what a good leader, and therefore good president, is.
trésjolie1 trésjolie1 7 years
Jillness: so true. But I don't think they will listen. :yoda:
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"Like it or not, this election is making history for women. I am sad that you don't see the big picture and think small." Thanks for the insult, but I don't think the big picture involves genitals. I think it involves trying to find the best leader for all Americans, not just finding the one that looks the most like you. And I don't think that Obama has never made a mistake...he just learns from them unlike Hillary. Her healthcare plan is so divisive, and if that is the option nothing will get done to help our healthcare crisis. She will NEVER get a majority of Congress to vote with her on that. Obama proposed a broad plan when he was in the State Senate. It didn't pass. He went back to the drawing board, focused on where everyone agreed, and came back with legislation that covered hundreds of thousands of children. It passed! When some people are fighting over the same old points they failed at before, a good leader learns from their mistakes and then gets stuff done.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"Like it or not, this election is making history for women. I am sad that you don't see the big picture and think small."Thanks for the insult, but I don't think the big picture involves genitals. I think it involves trying to find the best leader for all Americans, not just finding the one that looks the most like you.And I don't think that Obama has never made a mistake...he just learns from them unlike Hillary. Her healthcare plan is so divisive, and if that is the option nothing will get done to help our healthcare crisis. She will NEVER get a majority of Congress to vote with her on that. Obama proposed a broad plan when he was in the State Senate. It didn't pass. He went back to the drawing board, focused on where everyone agreed, and came back with legislation that covered hundreds of thousands of children. It passed! When some people are fighting over the same old points they failed at before, a good leader learns from their mistakes and then gets stuff done.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
Two things: 1) Pickle: AMEN girl! 2) Will somebody report this guy above me. I tried to and it didn't work. I hate ignorance.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
Two things:1) Pickle: AMEN girl!2) Will somebody report this guy above me. I tried to and it didn't work. I hate ignorance.
Cadet Cadet 7 years
"Jillness, regarding your comment on Obama's stance on the Iraq war: Obama wasn't even in office when all the senators were voting on the war. It is easy for an outsider to say no to war. It is easy for us to condemn the war. But we weren't in office, and neither was he. What I'm trying to say is, words are cheap. He wasn't in office, so he didn't have to face the pressures from his party, from other congressmen that could potentially sway his opinion on any policy making issues."Thank you, this is exactly what I was trying to get at. Al Gore was very environmentally driven UNTIL he came to the White House as Vice President. It was as if, for those eight years, he was someone else. Or perhaps he crumbled under political pressure. I believe it was easy for Obama to stand up for what he believed as a non-Senator, but it would be increasingly harder as President. I'm not doubting that he has the ability, I just don't see either him or Clinton challenging the positions of the Democratic party's positions while in office. Yes, either of them. Jillness, I'm a little offended that you think I wouldn't have researched my candidates. Having done so you believe that I should find Obama the obvious choice. I don't. Sorry to disappoint. I'm also bothered by the fact that you keep saying Clinton has made the WRONG choice. What does that mean? I'm fairly certain that there is no right or wrong choice, otherwise it would be very clear to all parties involved that the RIGHT choice should be chosen. It's politics, there's an argument and a reason for every possible outcome. I find that anyone with a political record or experience has made decisions that they might regret with new knowledge later on. (And yes, I have you mention that this knowledge was out there, but it was obviously stifled in the political world, otherwise the majority of Dem's wouldn't have supported the war.) It frightens (that word's a little harsh, but I can't think of a better one right now) that Obama hasn't made any false steps (according to you) and that it's a sign of his lack of experience.I don't like Clinton, but I don't agree with Obama's stance on the issues (he seems like a wonderful man) and I'm disturbed by how mindlessly people follow him in the idea of "change" and "hope." I think it's too tall an order to fill and he'll have a hell of a time trying to fill it.
Cadet Cadet 7 years
"Jillness, regarding your comment on Obama's stance on the Iraq war: Obama wasn't even in office when all the senators were voting on the war. It is easy for an outsider to say no to war. It is easy for us to condemn the war. But we weren't in office, and neither was he. What I'm trying to say is, words are cheap. He wasn't in office, so he didn't have to face the pressures from his party, from other congressmen that could potentially sway his opinion on any policy making issues." Thank you, this is exactly what I was trying to get at. Al Gore was very environmentally driven UNTIL he came to the White House as Vice President. It was as if, for those eight years, he was someone else. Or perhaps he crumbled under political pressure. I believe it was easy for Obama to stand up for what he believed as a non-Senator, but it would be increasingly harder as President. I'm not doubting that he has the ability, I just don't see either him or Clinton challenging the positions of the Democratic party's positions while in office. Yes, either of them. Jillness, I'm a little offended that you think I wouldn't have researched my candidates. Having done so you believe that I should find Obama the obvious choice. I don't. Sorry to disappoint. I'm also bothered by the fact that you keep saying Clinton has made the WRONG choice. What does that mean? I'm fairly certain that there is no right or wrong choice, otherwise it would be very clear to all parties involved that the RIGHT choice should be chosen. It's politics, there's an argument and a reason for every possible outcome. I find that anyone with a political record or experience has made decisions that they might regret with new knowledge later on. (And yes, I have you mention that this knowledge was out there, but it was obviously stifled in the political world, otherwise the majority of Dem's wouldn't have supported the war.) It frightens (that word's a little harsh, but I can't think of a better one right now) that Obama hasn't made any false steps (according to you) and that it's a sign of his lack of experience. I don't like Clinton, but I don't agree with Obama's stance on the issues (he seems like a wonderful man) and I'm disturbed by how mindlessly people follow him in the idea of "change" and "hope." I think it's too tall an order to fill and he'll have a hell of a time trying to fill it.
RetroKitty77 RetroKitty77 7 years
Jillness, sorry to disappoint. Like it or not, this election is making history for women. I am sad that you don't see the big picture and think small. But I genuinely believe that Hil is the best candidate for the job. The way I see it, Obamas ads (at least the ones here in Ohio) scream propagada with a 60s anti-Vietnam feel. These ads are emotional exploitation. They make me believe that the 'momentum' the media claims he has is largely because of good marketing--the very same kind corporations use to make people identify with their brands. So, to me, Obama's appeal is just a brand.
RetroKitty77 RetroKitty77 7 years
Jillness, sorry to disappoint. Like it or not, this election is making history for women. I am sad that you don't see the big picture and think small.But I genuinely believe that Hil is the best candidate for the job. The way I see it, Obamas ads (at least the ones here in Ohio) scream propagada with a 60s anti-Vietnam feel. These ads are emotional exploitation. They make me believe that the 'momentum' the media claims he has is largely because of good marketing--the very same kind corporations use to make people identify with their brands. So, to me, Obama's appeal is just a brand.
jellybean jellybean 7 years
go Hillary & Tina!
jellybean jellybean 7 years
go Hillary & Tina!
xrockette19x xrockette19x 7 years
i LOVE this! I love Tina Fey, and I love Hillary, although I don't really like the bitch thing. I think she's actually pretty likable, and yeah, she's tough. But if a man had Hillary's personality, there is no way it would be attacked.But despite this, I think 'bitches get stuff done' is my new motto.
xrockette19x xrockette19x 7 years
i LOVE this! I love Tina Fey, and I love Hillary, although I don't really like the bitch thing. I think she's actually pretty likable, and yeah, she's tough. But if a man had Hillary's personality, there is no way it would be attacked. But despite this, I think 'bitches get stuff done' is my new motto.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"Do you think that Oprah is backing Obama IN SPITE of him being black or do you think she's taking the opportunity presented to make history?" How about she thinks he is the best candidate? Why must you assume her choice is based on race? I think there are a lot of people who think that Hillary hasn't shown that she is qualified. She has been in politics for a while, but what as an individual can she show for it? Her experience hasn't helped her make the correct decisions when it comes to policy.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
"Do you think that Oprah is backing Obama IN SPITE of him being black or do you think she's taking the opportunity presented to make history?"How about she thinks he is the best candidate? Why must you assume her choice is based on race? I think there are a lot of people who think that Hillary hasn't shown that she is qualified. She has been in politics for a while, but what as an individual can she show for it? Her experience hasn't helped her make the correct decisions when it comes to policy.
pickle pickle 7 years
I loved this segment and I am disheartened by a lot of what I'm reading. First of all, I'm sure Tina Fey doesn't think Hilary Clinton is a b*tch -- or herself or Amy Poehler, at least not in the same sense as the men who have labeled her (that's what she's addressing, other people's concerns). She's appropriating the term, reframing it from an easy patriarchal put-down -- that women who are successful or smart or ambitious must be cold-hearted, conniving, anti-family, unfeminine, dyke bitches -- to a badge of honor that entitles it's bearer not just to these ridiculous sexist stereotypes -- but also the accomplishments and talent that they are meant to undermine. She's referencing the idea that if Senator Clinton is a b*tch -- a brilliant woman in a position of power who has a long record of hard work and success -- then certainly she's not the only b*tch around. Just look at the way Clinton is dissected and I think there's plenty of evidence that Tina's sexist slant is well-founded. Is Clinton too weepy, too old, too weak, too proud (wasn't her "expecting to win" a running joke on SNL before the strike)? How often does she bear the political brunt of her husband's behavior? I do not doubt that Sen. Obama is a talented and bright man, but he is no smarter than Hilary and certainly has not accomplished more. I don't think that mantra of "change" is anything new and I've heard Al Gore give more thrilling speeches than Obama, and Clinton wasn't my first choice either -- Edwards was. But given the options now, why not advance women? Do you think that Oprah is backing Obama IN SPITE of him being black or do you think she's taking the opportunity presented to make history? In a contest where, superficially at least (because I do believe Clinton is way more qualified), it is "win-win" either way, people have the luxury to vote on principle as well as platform. And why is everyone up in arms that Tina "took a side"? She's not telling ME how to vote (my TV doesn't talk to me that way) and she's funny and she's made plenty of fun of Hilary for all of the years she was HEAD WRITER for the show. On the episode prior to the strike where Obama appeared in person, the last sketch was of how all the other candidates (minus him, he gets good advice) were plotting to get rid of her. And he had no problem appearing in the sketch that referenced her husband's infidelity, her supposedly difficult marriage, and her ambition. And, outside of last night (where they still only poked fun at the press, not Obama), I can't say I've ever seen him treated the same way. What's more, Tina hereself didn't disparage Obama, she called out the people who having supposedly thought Clinton was good enough before when there was nobody else who could do it for them, are swayed by the novelty of a candidate who's is being coddled by the press and appears shiny and new. She's not questioning if he'd be a good president but rather why, all of a sudden, so many people who had for so long claimed otherwise, think he'd be better than Clinton -- and lacking any other evidence, I think she's right to wonder if it's because this country just can't take orders from a woman. And why is it such a bad thing to ask you why you think something and why is it so threatening that you can't take a joke? I am so bummed out by the realization of how divisive the issue of empowering women is among women.
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