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Top News Stories 2008-07-16 07:00:01

Front Page: Israel/Hezbollah Prisoner Swap, Consumer Prices Balloon, US Troops Abandon Afghan Outpost

  • Israel/Hezbollah Prisoner Swap:
    Israel and Lebanon's Hezbollah have completed their prisoner swap: Israel handed over five Lebanese prisoners and the bodies of 200 Lebanese and Palestinian fighters in exchange for the bodies of two soldiers, captured in 2006. Lebanon declared a national holiday to observe the swap, as now Israel holds no more Hezbollah militants.
  • Consumer Prices Balloon:
    A telling measure of inflation rose last month at its fastest rate in 16 years. The Consumer Price Index, which tracks prices of a batch of common household products, rose 1.1 percent in June; inflation accelerated last month at nearly twice the rate in May, when the index grew 0.6 percent. It was the largest monthly gain in the inflation indicator since June 1982.
  • US Troops Abandon Afghan Outpost:
    US troops have withdrawn from a remote outpost in northeastern Afghanistan, three days after Taliban militants tried to take over the base and left nine US soldiers dead. Though NATO has downplayed the withdrawal, Taliban militants and likely to claim victory in the move. On Sunday, the Taliban militants briefly broke through the incomplete defenses of the new post sparking hours of fierce fighting that killed nine US soldiers and many more insurgents.

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zeze zeze 7 years
Thank you for the link, I wasn't looking for the justification of the act when I asked for context, I was looking for the facts - you would not believe the horrific things that people do and are forced to do, so I always try to get as much of the story as possible. Secondly, the article makes the point I have been arguing for - that terrible things happen on both sides: "The war brought tragedy to hundreds of families, their number undeniably greater on the Lebanese side, and Israeli cluster bombs dropped over southern Lebanon continue to kill and maim today..."
zeze zeze 7 years
Thank you for the link, I wasn't looking for the justification of the act when I asked for context, I was looking for the facts - you would not believe the horrific things that people do and are forced to do, so I always try to get as much of the story as possible.Secondly, the article makes the point I have been arguing for - that terrible things happen on both sides:"The war brought tragedy to hundreds of families, their number undeniably greater on the Lebanese side, and Israeli cluster bombs dropped over southern Lebanon continue to kill and maim today..."
rachelc74 rachelc74 7 years
@Zeze - not sure what context could make bashing a 4-year olds head in ok, but I'm assuming the Guardian (not known for a pro-Israel stance) is reliable enough: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/16/israelandthepalestinians.lebanon2
rachelc74 rachelc74 7 years
@Zeze - not sure what context could make bashing a 4-year olds head in ok, but I'm assuming the Guardian (not known for a pro-Israel stance) is reliable enough:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/16/israelandthepalestinians.lebanon2
zeze zeze 7 years
"Six countries list Hezbollah or its security arm as a terrorist organization: the United States, the United Kingdom, Israel, Canada, the Netherlands, and Australia." And what do those countries have in common - Israel allies. All I am saying is that it's a two-way street, this side has its supporters and this side has its supporters and since in the US we only seem to look at one side I was trying to balance out the equation a little. You say Israel needs to fight back to protect themselves and the Lebanese and Palestinians say the same thing, they are being forced out of the homes they have lived in for generations b/c the UK and the western powers decided that Jews need to leave their countries and find some place else to live so they went back to ancient roots and now based on that they are demolishing homes and bombing places to take back their land. (This is the same reason for Arab countries to be anti-Israel, no one wants the Palestinians on their turf if Israel removes them). If the Native Americans tired that to us what would the US reaction be? Just like the US would fight back and not twiddle its thumps Palestine will too - it can all change as to who is "fighting back" depending on the way you look at it.
zeze zeze 7 years
"Six countries list Hezbollah or its security arm as a terrorist organization: the United States, the United Kingdom, Israel, Canada, the Netherlands, and Australia."And what do those countries have in common - Israel allies.All I am saying is that it's a two-way street, this side has its supporters and this side has its supporters and since in the US we only seem to look at one side I was trying to balance out the equation a little. You say Israel needs to fight back to protect themselves and the Lebanese and Palestinians say the same thing, they are being forced out of the homes they have lived in for generations b/c the UK and the western powers decided that Jews need to leave their countries and find some place else to live so they went back to ancient roots and now based on that they are demolishing homes and bombing places to take back their land. (This is the same reason for Arab countries to be anti-Israel, no one wants the Palestinians on their turf if Israel removes them). If the Native Americans tired that to us what would the US reaction be? Just like the US would fight back and not twiddle its thumps Palestine will too - it can all change as to who is "fighting back" depending on the way you look at it.
blondie01 blondie01 7 years
From Wikipedia:"Six countries list Hezbollah or its security arm as a terrorist organization: the United States, the United Kingdom, Israel, Canada, the Netherlands, and Australia. However, Hezbollah is highly regarded as a legitimate resistance movement in most of the Arab and Muslim worlds."I wonder why they are seen as a legitimate resistance movement around the Arab and Muslim worlds...? Oh yes, they all have something in common: the destruction of Israel.
blondie01 blondie01 7 years
From Wikipedia: "Six countries list Hezbollah or its security arm as a terrorist organization: the United States, the United Kingdom, Israel, Canada, the Netherlands, and Australia. However, Hezbollah is highly regarded as a legitimate resistance movement in most of the Arab and Muslim worlds." I wonder why they are seen as a legitimate resistance movement around the Arab and Muslim worlds...? Oh yes, they all have something in common: the destruction of Israel.
blondie01 blondie01 7 years
Israel is defending itself and doing what it has to do to survive and protect its citizens. You can't expect a country to let itself be attacked daily and just go on to twiddle its thumbs. No, it has to fight back. And if that means doing what it has to do...well, that's reality for you.and to zeze- you say: "Hezballah is a terror organization according to the US and to Israel, to Lebanon it is an army that defends its territory and its people."Even though Lebanon defines their "army" that way, it isn't justified. That's like saying, well, we think that a serial killer who raped and strangled for fun is a "killer" but that person and his followers may think he's a "god." I'd go with "killer" and as for Hezbollah, I'd go with "terrorist."
blondie01 blondie01 7 years
Israel is defending itself and doing what it has to do to survive and protect its citizens. You can't expect a country to let itself be attacked daily and just go on to twiddle its thumbs. No, it has to fight back. And if that means doing what it has to do...well, that's reality for you. and to zeze- you say: "Hezballah is a terror organization according to the US and to Israel, to Lebanon it is an army that defends its territory and its people." Even though Lebanon defines their "army" that way, it isn't justified. That's like saying, well, we think that a serial killer who raped and strangled for fun is a "killer" but that person and his followers may think he's a "god." I'd go with "killer" and as for Hezbollah, I'd go with "terrorist."
raciccarone raciccarone 7 years
No Rachel, you are wrong. It wasn't a military operation. They were bulldozing houses where Palestinian families lived. There were no weapons or any military resistance. Just an American girl tired of seeing Israelis murder innocent people and trying to help.
zeze zeze 7 years
...and Israel hit a children's hospital and killed dozens of innocent children just a few years ago...after the boy bags were counted Israel, the nation whose military technology rivals, if not surpasses the US thanks to spies, claimed it made a mistake and thought the children's hospital was a military target - even though Lebanon and Israel border each other and both could fit inside Wyoming! Blood is on both sides, the sooner the world realizes that, the sooner we can start dealing with peace instead of war. Secondly, a somewhat reliable source for that heartbreaking story verifying it and putting it into some sort of context would be appreciated.
zeze zeze 7 years
...and Israel hit a children's hospital and killed dozens of innocent children just a few years ago...after the boy bags were counted Israel, the nation whose military technology rivals, if not surpasses the US thanks to spies, claimed it made a mistake and thought the children's hospital was a military target - even though Lebanon and Israel border each other and both could fit inside Wyoming!Blood is on both sides, the sooner the world realizes that, the sooner we can start dealing with peace instead of war.Secondly, a somewhat reliable source for that heartbreaking story verifying it and putting it into some sort of context would be appreciated.
rachelc74 rachelc74 7 years
An adult who conciously entered a zone where military operations are being carried out is accidentally killed. A 4-year old child is deliberately held down against a rock and has her head bashed in with a gun. Any loss of life is a terrible tragedy but I think most people of conscience can see the difference between them.
raciccarone raciccarone 7 years
I don't think you're going to win that one, Rachel. Speaking of which, what about Israelis murdering and American citizen by running her over with a bulldozer while protesting peacefully? No apologies to the US or even her family. There are a few thousand corpses down the Israeli road too.
rachelc74 rachelc74 7 years
Important to note that one of the Lebanese "militants" being received as a hero is a man who bashed a 4-year old baby's head against a rock with the butt of his gun until he killed her. First he shot her father in front of her. This man is being hailed as a hero in Lebanon because he killed Jews, including a little baby. There's the difference.
zeze zeze 7 years
I have to disagree. Hezballah is a terror organization according to the US and to Israel, to Lebanon it is an army that defends its territory and its people. You can't use you understanding of them as the truth when there are other who hold different understandings. I have done lots of research on this subject and like there are videos like you say showing Hezballah in a bad light, there are just as many showing the Israeli armies as terrorists too - so it is all a matter of perspective.As for who is right and who is wrong, I don't want to get into that, but from my personal understanding - it does no matter how small Israel is or how many Arab countries are around it - the Middle East does not work that way, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Iran etc... all consider themselves separate and don't even see themselves as one group of people, in fact most of them hate each other due to the ridiculous way the Middle East was divided up and the tensions that have developed over time. So the fact that the Palestinians are surrounded by arab states does not mean they have a home and should just leave and give up this area to the jews. The way the other side views it is that Israel has no claim to the land anymore, like the Native Americans don't come in and demolish US homes 200nyears later and demand their land back, Israel can not either and to ask them to give up their land which they were born on and have been so long on and move into neighboring countries who hate them is not an option. Secondly, US support in money and weapons makes them a great threat in a region where no one can challenge the US and no one has the weaponry capabilities of the US and Israel.There are always so many sides to the story, I would recommend looking at it from the other perspective as well as the one you are partial to.
zeze zeze 7 years
I have to disagree. Hezballah is a terror organization according to the US and to Israel, to Lebanon it is an army that defends its territory and its people. You can't use you understanding of them as the truth when there are other who hold different understandings. I have done lots of research on this subject and like there are videos like you say showing Hezballah in a bad light, there are just as many showing the Israeli armies as terrorists too - so it is all a matter of perspective. As for who is right and who is wrong, I don't want to get into that, but from my personal understanding - it does no matter how small Israel is or how many Arab countries are around it - the Middle East does not work that way, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Iran etc... all consider themselves separate and don't even see themselves as one group of people, in fact most of them hate each other due to the ridiculous way the Middle East was divided up and the tensions that have developed over time. So the fact that the Palestinians are surrounded by arab states does not mean they have a home and should just leave and give up this area to the jews. The way the other side views it is that Israel has no claim to the land anymore, like the Native Americans don't come in and demolish US homes 200nyears later and demand their land back, Israel can not either and to ask them to give up their land which they were born on and have been so long on and move into neighboring countries who hate them is not an option. Secondly, US support in money and weapons makes them a great threat in a region where no one can challenge the US and no one has the weaponry capabilities of the US and Israel. There are always so many sides to the story, I would recommend looking at it from the other perspective as well as the one you are partial to.
nirvana85 nirvana85 7 years
You both bring up good points however ZZ you have to look into your facts a bit more. Hezbollah is a terrorist organization they are not a civil group nor are they an army the way we have an army. The org. has scared all the people in lebanon and hi-jacked its way as the "goverment". Its not like how we send our brave sons and daughters into war here in america. Your putting this into a completely different perspective. You need to search bbc and watch some real videos on hezbollah. Lebanon and every other country has always called israel terrorists but look at the geography. one small jewish country (israel) surrounded by 4 arab nations that all hate it. jordan, egypt, lebanon and syria. Israel is the size of LA with a small population. These arab nations surrounding it are way larger. Israel has only existed 60 years the arab nations around have been there for over 2,000 and have not achieved what israel has done in 60. Israel is not large enough to be a threat to these nations they are simply good people with a will to survive. Can you really argue that a tiny country is a threat or even a global terror against 4 arab nations and others around them who are all much larger and have existed way longer. ?? im not trying to be to wordy here but people really need to know the basics to argue politics you know ?
nirvana85 nirvana85 7 years
You both bring up good points however ZZ you have to look into your facts a bit more. Hezbollah is a terrorist organization they are not a civil group nor are they an army the way we have an army. The org. has scared all the people in lebanon and hi-jacked its way as the "goverment". Its not like how we send our brave sons and daughters into war here in america. Your putting this into a completely different perspective. You need to search bbc and watch some real videos on hezbollah. Lebanon and every other country has always called israel terrorists but look at the geography. one small jewish country (israel) surrounded by 4 arab nations that all hate it. jordan, egypt, lebanon and syria. Israel is the size of LA with a small population. These arab nations surrounding it are way larger. Israel has only existed 60 years the arab nations around have been there for over 2,000 and have not achieved what israel has done in 60. Israel is not large enough to be a threat to these nations they are simply good people with a will to survive. Can you really argue that a tiny country is a threat or even a global terror against 4 arab nations and others around them who are all much larger and have existed way longer. ?? im not trying to be to wordy here but people really need to know the basics to argue politics you know ?
Jillness Jillness 7 years
Nirvana, don't you think that information also would have been important enough to make it into the article? By leaving out important pieces of information, it biases the article. If they gave us ALL the facts, it would allow people to make an honest assessment of the situation.
Jillness Jillness 7 years
Nirvana, don't you think that information also would have been important enough to make it into the article? By leaving out important pieces of information, it biases the article. If they gave us ALL the facts, it would allow people to make an honest assessment of the situation.
zeze zeze 7 years
I understand what you are saying Nirvana, but obviously you are partial to one side, on the Lebanese side many of the families of the dead 200 Hizballah soldiers considered their kids as brave soldiers protecting Lebanon from Israel and they call the Israeli army terrorists. I've seen both sides of the story and both sides can be very convincing.
nirvana85 nirvana85 7 years
Just so you both know Jillness and ZZ the 200 bodies were hezbollah terrorists, the two soldiers were barely kids 26 and 31 who were in the army to protect and serve a country that struggles to maintain its survival. They were just normal kids who believed in peace and wanted to do their part to protect Israel from groups like hezbollah.. My heart goes out to the friends and family of Elad and Ehud.
zeze zeze 7 years
Isn't it a little shocking Jillness? Our side of the news is always like this, and it's this that really makes me feel for the Palestinian side, as wrong as both sides are in their violence it seems like the world has ganged on one side and the Middle East powers and the Western powers are playing violent chess with innocent people and children. At least Israel is a recognized country with US money and power behind them, the other side, meaning the people not the fighters, has no one. They have the west calling them terrorists and the Mid East governments giving them nothing more than troublesome rhetoric to make matters worse.
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