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Vatican Opposes Decriminalization of Homosexuality?

The United Nations is set to vote on a resolution that would call on all governments to decriminalize homosexuality. Yet almost 80 states that still criminalize homosexuality, as well as the Vatican, oppose the measure proposed by the European Union. Specifically the resolution would condemn the jailing and execution those found guilty of homosexuality, which happens in countries like Iran.

The Vatican argues that while the teachings of the Church forbid unjust discrimination, a UN resolution would put pressure on countries that do not recognize same-sex marriage. Still regardless of concerns about gay marriage, there may be good reason to pass the resolution — decriminalizing homosexuality would help fights AIDS by bringing treatment and prevention programs into the mainstream.

Are you surprised the Vatican would come out against this UN resolution?

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UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
I think the best way for the church to get people to follow a lifestyle that would be best for the people, they should endorse sex with multiple partners, homosexuality, beastiality, lying, cheating, killing, etc... Then everyone, who are so anti-church, will do the opposite just so they can say they aren't in any way shape or form connected to the church. ;)
Sugasuga29 Sugasuga29 7 years
Sadly, I couldn't agree with you more, CaterpillarGirl.
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 7 years
Ha Ha christianity is hilarious isnt it? its a free for all to make fun of it, the last bastion of something cool to hate.
pixelhaze pixelhaze 7 years
ugh, I hate the current pope. I guess I understand now how liberal Americans feel when foreigners berate them about Bush. As a Catholic, and someone who is very strong in her faith, I really don't agree with many of his views and I feel he is taking the church many steps backwards. ugh.
0danielle0 0danielle0 7 years
Surprised? No. Disgusted? Yes.
Sugasuga29 Sugasuga29 7 years
They absolutely should. Their hyprocrisy makes me sick at my stomach. It's not even hypocrisy, because let's face it: Inflicting heinous sexual acts on children is hardly the same as finding yourself attracted to someone of the opposite sex. An earlier comment on the first page (my comp is running slow so I'm not clicking back to see who made it) about how Jesus was nonjudgmental and all-inclusive...was just very misinformed. He was all-inclusive in the sense that, according to him, if you confess your sins and choose to follow him, you're forgiven and you have a place in heaven. But there were conditions, and Jesus did not ignore the human acts which he found sinful--he called people out on them.
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 7 years
Right Sugasuga I get that...So that Catholic church should have the same standards in criminalizing the Priest who committed the homosexual acts against young boys . Not to mention the foul acts committed against young girls which is also a sin.
Sugasuga29 Sugasuga29 7 years
Bastylefielgirl--not defending the sick pedophilic practices of some priests (I have very strong ideas about what should happen to them) and I'm not Catholic myself, but just to be clear, the Bible does not say that homosexuals themselves are an abomination (it calls for people to love the sinner, hate the sin) but that the act itself is an abomination, thus separating the person from their sinful acts.
Sugasuga29 Sugasuga29 7 years
*Sigh*...I get so tired of people who are under the misapprehension that the Bible (and Christ) instruct us not to judge. I minored in Bible in college--believe me--Jesus passed judgment, and knew it to be natural in us to do the same. The scriptures don't tell us NOT to judge, they simply tell us that yes, while we are judging, we ourselves will be judged as well. Jesus spoke harshly of those who sinned--the day he turned over the gambling tables set up in a place of worship, etc. His father destroyed two cities (Sodom and Gomorrah) for being predominantly homosexual. Please don't bring Jesus into this unless you have truly studied his life and his words. It makes this whole thing one big convuluted mess.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
Em wins the prize! It's from Hair: the musical. :medal: Aaaaaaaand it's been stuck in my head all day.
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 7 years
Not surprised although they have on some level decriminalized an actually crime i.e. child molestation within the catholic Church by protecting priest who have committed these atrocities. I find it hard to take that they could look the other way when innocent non consenting individuals where forced in to "homosexual acts" but people who are consenting adults are an abomination.
kranky kranky 7 years
Oops - diadem I forgot to mention, please feel free to PM me if you want further clarification on anything.
kranky kranky 7 years
Well diadem, thanks for the response! You had me worried. Well, I think that there are many valid points to the NPF and abstinence before marriage arguments that the Church puts forth. Did I always practice what they preached? Nope. But the older I get, the more I see the wisdom of where they are coming from... so it's constantly evolving for me. In terms of homosexuality - I am not on the fence and I am not opposed to gay marraige (or civil union or whatever). I have NEVER said otherwise, before I was merely stating the Church's position. I could care less if people are gay or straight. In terms of civil privelges, then I gave open them up to everyone - that is Caesar's domain, not God's. I doubt I am going to waffle on that any time soon. I get much more from my faith than how to think about all of the above, so I stick with it. I am sorry that you had a priest tell you that you would go to Hell for doing x,y, or z. I have never had that experience. I have always found priests to be very open and understanding, but maybe those were the exceptions. At any rate - gotta sign off. I'm running late for an appointment!
mydiadem mydiadem 7 years
Kranky, I was just checking. :) From what I know of you I didn't think that's what you were trying to say, though what confused me is you asked what the Vatican can do to keep inappropriate people out of the priesthood. I thought you were saying all homosexuals where inappropriate for the priesthood. And if you struggle with the Church's teachings it seems it is only on those that pertain to you, I'm assuming birth control and abstinence before marriage and not homosexuality. You seem OK with using birth control and I'm not sure your views on sex out of a marriage, but for arguments sake let's just say you are OK with that too. Then why are you against gay marriage? I don't mean to call you out but I personally see all three of these things as issues where I disagree with the Church. I also cannot consider myself a Catholic if I go to mass and talk with a priest 1 on 1 and have a priest tell me I'm going to hell if I vote for someone that is pro-choice. Or that women can't be priests. Just too many things to overlook for what benefit? What benefit does the Church give me?
Jessiebanana Jessiebanana 7 years
For UnDave :medal: :encore:...I couldn't find "round of applause".
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
Don't = do it. Sorry
kranky kranky 7 years
diadem- I would like to think that you have read enough of my comments to know that I do not equate homosexuality with pedophila. Apparently not, or you are trying really hard to not answer the question I posed. Here is my post: Abstinence takes a huge emotional toll, and we have seen what happens when priests don't deal with the issue in an appropriate way. As for homosexual priests - well the Church doesn't agree that homosexuality is OK, so I'm not surprised. First, I didn't even mention kiddie abuse, though I did allude to it with the abstinence comment. The sexuality was next - two seperate sentences - no lumping. I was responding to the article that you posted that deals with psychological and sexuality issues and how the Church is dealing with the two seperate issues.
kranky kranky 7 years
diadem- I guess we will have to agree to disagree about being at odds with your religion and not giving it up entirely. My struggle to understand the Catholic Church's teachings on things makes my faith more meaningful, but that is me. As for the Vatican putting its oar in our national affairs... I have a problem with the UN mandating things that really should be left up to individual nations. Don't get me wrong, anti-gay stuff makes me sick, but ultimately, what the Vatican says about it will not have an affect on say, Muslim countries. I also want to point out that the article says 150 other entities opposed the legislation as well.
mydiadem mydiadem 7 years
Kranky - you seem to be lumping pedophiles and homosexuals together in one bucket. If that is the case then I don't even know where to start.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
Jessie - I don't so little, you should stand up and applaud me for having coherent thoughts. ;)
kranky kranky 7 years
:rotfl: Good point Jessie. I haven't the background or insight into how you could psychologically evaluate someone for being gay. Musicals don't count, by boss is WAY into Broadway (old school) and he is straighter than straight. My gay coworker hates Madonna and musicals, so there you go! What struck me is that the Church would involve itself with pyschiatry at all, so thanks diadem for putting that out there - I had no idea. As for your thoughts on CS Lewis - I toally get where you are coming from now.
mydiadem mydiadem 7 years
I'm just saying I feel it is hypocritical to belong to a religion when you don't agree with some of the tenants and outwardly ignore them. I would lump using contraception, sex before marriage, and homosexuality together in that statement when it comes to 'being a Catholic'. This is why though I went to Catholic school for 12 years plus college, have read the Bible back to front about 20 times, studied it throughout my education as well as catechism, I cannot no longer call myself a Catholic. I don't want to be a hypocrite just to say I belong to an organized religion. I also think that the Church shouldn't be getting involved in things that would affect legislation in any nation. What I read in this is that the Vatican is against a non-binding resolution that would condemn imprisonment and criminal punishment for practicing homosexuals. "I think the problem here is that these people need to preach, and live, the teachings. IF you aren't able to be the Christian model, how can you expect anyone to follow?" Dave, you're not reading the article properly. These folks are not 'out', they are not practicing homosexuals. I happen to believe that you are born with a sexual orientation and it isn't learned. So these folks that are born being homosexual and feel that they are called to a life of Catholic faith cannot pursue that under this pope. And I said that I found this upsetting.
Jessiebanana Jessiebanana 7 years
Kranky, I question how they are going to decide how a sexually inactive person is gay or not. Seems sketchy, even with the psychiatrist and all. And maybe I'm being too DSM-IV centric, but there are no gay criteria on which to be evaluated. I mean does the love of musicals in early childhood or Madonna count as a strike against you?
Jessiebanana Jessiebanana 7 years
I have almost everything by CS Lewis, huge fan. No, he's definitely fantasy as far as not providing alternate explanations for life or creating plausible new worlds and realities and beings. There are new creatures and worlds, but little explanation. It all very magical and unexplainable, making it very religion safe. When I was 7-8, the first time I read the Bible, it was when I got into the Chronicles of Narnia. Drawing parallels was fun for me. It didn't seem as obvious to my child brain.
kranky kranky 7 years
diadem- Sorry - I just read your comments about gay priests. I have no problem with the Church screening individuals in this way. Abstinence takes a huge emotional toll, and we have seen what happens when priests don't deal with the issue in an appropriate way. As for homosexual priests - well the Church doesn't agree that homosexuality is OK, so I'm not surprised. I sense you don't like the current method, so what do you suggest the Church do to keep people they deem inappropriate out of the preisthood?
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