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Whose Message Is Planned Parenthood Looking to Abort?

Sometimes Liberty and I get tired of listening to ourselves talk — luckily there are a lot of smart folks running around Sugar HQ. Colleenb just blogged about her complicated relationship with Planned Parenthood and who they're out to get in this campaign. Take a peek and see what she had to say:

Young women love to love Planned Parenthood; I hate to hate it. But I do. Sort of. I feel terrible about it.

I find them so brazenly one-sided — and I agree with them! I've donated money. I've been an postabortion counselor. I even open their emails. With subjects like "I [Heart] My Cervix," wouldn't you? And now I am getting real mail. They just sent me my latest assignment in the course of being a uterus owner: Ensure America knows John McCain's position on women's health.

Of course, in the language of progressive politics, "women's health" roughly translates to "will I still be able to get an abortion? Legally." So where does John McCain stand?

To find out,

.

Well, we're lucky he stands at all, so as you might imagine, women's health is not an issue on which he stands tall. A prolifer, he does condone abortion when pregnancy results from rape or incest or when the woman's life is endangered. This is what I expect to hear from a Republican in the general election — conservative but not inflexible.

Don't get me wrong! I would not vote for McCain. Do. Not. Want. But I understand the prolife position and see how people arrive at it; there should be a candidate who represents it.

Nonetheless, staunchly prochoice Planned Parenthood is going to set them straight. They've launched a campaign and are arming everyone who has ever given them their time or money — and address! — with the truth about John McCain. According to the letter:

In the Senate, McCain has an unrelenting antichoice voting record. He opposes almost all abortions. He has also voted in opposition to comprehensive sex education, which can help reduce the need for abortion. He supports the Bush Administration Federal Abortion Ban. And he has made perfectly clear that overturning Roe v. Wade would be a priority in his administration.

That's not an idle threat when just one more antichoice justice in the US Supreme Court could spell an end to Roe v. Wade.

Emphasis is theirs!

And they’re not just relying on paper to spread the word; they’ve got a website: The Truth About John McCain. They mean well. They do. But I cannot stand their aggressive delivery. As soon as hear the words "antichoice" and on the other side "antilife," I stop listening.

If Planned Parenthood turns off a supporter, how do they plan to bring over those on the fence?

Do you agree with colleenb? Does disagreeing with the delivery of a message sometimes overshadow your approval of it? Do you agree with Planned Parenthood's thoughts on McCain? How does he stack up on the choice issue against Hillary and Obama? Is it important to you?

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hartsfull hartsfull 7 years
UD, I agree abstinance is the best birth control. I would like more emphasis on health, the growing baby, many many things. I personally wont be having one and I can do a huge comment thing about what I hope for and plan for with my own daughter-but I don't care to make this comment that long-luck you. ;) It's not so much that I think every woman has the right to choose. That isn't even a matter to me. If others want to say that it is that's fine. I'm not saying it isn't I'm just saying that isn't enough of a reason, to me. My first reason and most important reason is to keep young girls from the danger of dying because they WILL find ways to get them illegally. They WILL run into many dangers by that route not only health. I say they will because they did. I completely agree UD that parents need to be more active in sex ed with their children and instilling abstinance is best. It is just that not all parents are successfull with that. Not all parents are good parents either, so they wont even try. Yes it would be good for the community to be involved with raising THOSE kids who have no good role models. I just feel that it's a big risk to give the responsibility to others and do away with keeping this legal. But, also meanwhile, I think we should put more emphasis on educating and promoting self esteem, and just giving kids other outlets for enjoyment. I know people are sick of me saying "put more emphasis on the before" matter. It is just that important I think. I also make no judgements on people whether they are against abortion or having/had an abortion themselves.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
That's a good point (about educating the masses), but we also need to talk about acceptable behavior. People will continue to do the things that they shouldn't if we all accept that "they are going to do it anyway." That has to start with mom and/or dad. Unfortunately, too many moms and dads aren't willing to set that example because they couldn't live up to that standard themselves, and they are afraid of being hypocrites.
Roarman Roarman 7 years
I personally think that abortion should be legal, period. There should not be instances where it's legal or illegal. It is either legal or it is not. Noone has the right to determine who should and shouldn't be entitled to abortion. If all sides spent more time educating the masses about protection, STD's etc. and making contraception available to everyone, the need for abortion might lessen.
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
Sorry "How can you be for the death of an innocent child...."
UnDave35 UnDave35 7 years
Let's just see if you feel that way if one of your kids gets pregnant or gets someone pregnant. NO birth control is 100% effective, and people have sex. Accidents can happen and while I don't think I would have an abortion at this point in my life, there was a point in my life where I definitely would have. There is one form of birth control that is 100%. That is ABSTINENCE. (Excuse me while I get that out of my system.) OK, Yes we will have to agree to disagree. My question for all pro-choice people on here then is this: "How can you be for the birth of an innocent child, and not for the death of a violent criminal?"
hartsfull hartsfull 7 years
Er, I'm a little late coming back Cine but, thanks for the hug! :hug:
cine_lover cine_lover 7 years
"Just because a Planned Parenthood clinic includes that in their medical services, they should no longer receive funding for their STD/AIDS tests, free contreceptive programs, etc? I hardly see how that's fair." You are misunderstanding what I am saying. I don't think federal funding should be included in clinics period. I don't care what their services. I don't care if they are abortion free. I still don't think they should receive federal funding. If they are to receive government funding it should be at a State level. "As far as your friends without the information... did they ever think of asking what stage the pregnancy was at? Again, I think this is a case of not WANTING to know the answer." I am not saying you are wrong, what I am saying is that they should tell the patient, whether they ask or not, what stage the pregnancy is at, and all the potential harm that can occur to them as the patient. I also don't think enough studies have been done to fully understand long term harm abortions can have on women.
Cassandra57 Cassandra57 7 years
Colleen: Sorry if I didn't read closely enough. Thanks for clarifying. Anyone who has an argument about whether fetuses are parasites: shoot, children are parasites. Wanna borrow my teenagers and find out? Certainly both sides of the argument try to use language to their benefit, so I think we'll have to declare that a draw.
megnmac megnmac 7 years
Also, who proves it is rape or incest, if those are the only exceptions? How can we possibly expect abused women to prove that to get an abortion? Especially when you consider how horribly low reporting can be (hi, 911, my dad has sex with me a lot in our basement and I'm pregnant) and how much people disagree on what 'rape' is, how can any law that only allows 'justified' abortion actually going to work?
baltimoregal baltimoregal 7 years
Comments like "I can't see the need for an abortion (except in the cases of rape, incest, etc...) I would like to see teens who get pregnant have to carry the baby full term. Maybe that would help them think about the consequences of their actions." just kill me. Let's just see if you feel that way if one of your kids gets pregnant or gets someone pregnant. NO birth control is 100% effective, and people have sex. Accidents can happen and while I don't think I would have an abortion at this point in my life, there was a point in my life where I definitely would have.
mondaymoos mondaymoos 7 years
I was under the impression that clinics that perform abortions receive federal funding for their other programs, cine_lover. Just because a Planned Parenthood clinic includes that in their medical services, they should no longer receive funding for their STD/AIDS tests, free contreceptive programs, etc? I hardly see how that's fair. And it's obvious to me, that the procedure is completely paid for by the patient... so I can't see how withdrawing federal funding would do anything but harm a good program. As far as your friends without the information... did they ever think of asking what stage the pregnancy was at? Again, I think this is a case of not WANTING to know the answer.
cine_lover cine_lover 7 years
Abortions are not federally funded, but different clinics that preform abortions are. I want basically no federal involvement, so the fact that I don't like the federal funding of clinics has nothing to do with abortions and everything to do with my conservative political philosophy.
cine_lover cine_lover 7 years
Harts: :hug: You are right. I don't demonize anyone who has had an abortion, even if I don't agree with my friends, they are still my friends and I love them. It is not my job to judge others.
hartsfull hartsfull 7 years
Numero uno! (we need a sombrero smiley now) I didn't say they were gov't funded. I said it is often a bill trying to be passed. That is what gets a big no from (R)s. Often, anything that (R) say no to according to abortion they end up getting a big accross the board "they want to stop abortions" from most pro-choicers. Let me say again I am also pro-choice so obviously I'm not saying all. Now as far as talking about this controversial stuff. Yes, it's hard but it needs to be discussed because there are things we ALL don't consider. Issues must be talked about by the people. Do you want just the gov't talking about it? No no no! :) Besides look how good we are discussing it!
cine_lover cine_lover 7 years
Monday, I commend you for your choice. You are a brave woman. I agree that the friends I have that did no know that the baby had a heart beat, made a choice not to know. This was also a time before everyone had Internet (if we can remember a time) and when they went for the abortions they were not informed about what stage the baby was in. If they are going to have abortions be legal, then the mother should know what stage and at what development the baby is at. I believe education is power, and you can never be too educated.
cine_lover cine_lover 7 years
Apparently Racc you don't know the definition of parasite. Let me inform you shall I? : Parasite: an animal or plant that lives in or on a host (another animal or plant); it obtains nourishment from the host without benefiting or killing the host. So what exactly is wrong with what I said? Please tell me? I see it as a baby from moment of conception, others don't. If it is fetus, then it can also be seen as a parasite. Maybe you just need to broaden your vocabulary a bit. Just because I am pro-life does not mean I do not sympathize with people. And much of my stance has to do with safety of the mother as well as the child. If I wanted to sensationalize being pro-choice, I would call it pro-death.
jennifer76 jennifer76 7 years
Thanks, hartsfull. Ok, one more thing...I just don't understand why there can't be more respect for the opposition from both sides in this debate. If you knew someone who truly believed that a specific act was the willfull taking of a child's life and nothing else and they did not oppose it what would you think of them!? And, if you knew someone who truly believed that a specific act was a patriarichal oppression of women's fundamental rights and nothing else and they did not oppose it what would you think of them!?
jennifer76 jennifer76 7 years
No, I agree that it's not the same degree. Although, I do find it highly offensive when people try to imply that I would seek to deny myself and other women anything I actually believed to be an autonomous right. But, I was trying to stick to this thread with my example. And, I tend to prefer not to discuss abortion, too. It's so subjective. In my mind, people on both sides are entirely right because they generally are all making completely logical and compassionate choices given the way abortion is framed in their mind. I believe the government should stay out of dictating medical procedures as well. But, I also believe in the duty of the people and their representatives to protect those who are unable to protect themselves. As, I'm sure, do you. But again, it all comes down to individual perception of where the lines are drawn.
raciccarone raciccarone 7 years
As for you, Jenn. Calling someone "anti-choice" is not even close to demonizing someone by saying they believe fetuses are parasites. Not even close.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
surgery* See what happens when I try to "work."
raciccarone raciccarone 7 years
I hate abortion threads. No one will ever agree on this and the stakes are so high. I'm just a conservative when it comes to this and believe that the government should stay out of dictating medical procedures.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 7 years
The federal government does not pay for abortions. Women in the military who are covered for every medical condition you can imagine and some others including some unnecesary ones like cosmetic surgery, eye-laser surgury and teeth whitening have to pay for their own abortions. Not only that but I've seen women who were forced to participate in physical condition like normal while women who had miscarriages had 6 months to recover. Physically your body goes through the same thing in both situations. It's HIGHLY a pro-life institution.
hartsfull hartsfull 7 years
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you aren't smart. You certainly are! Gosh darn smart!
hartsfull hartsfull 7 years
Jenn, I knew you were going to have a comback. I just knew it. :grad: No offense Rac, but that's a smart cookie you're up against.
hartsfull hartsfull 7 years
Well, I just know that I'm not offended.
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