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Yay or Nay? Do You Love the Troops, Hate the War?

I saw this message on a car while I was waiting for the bus. With candidates from both parties (not to mention Congress, soldiers, Marines, military families, and the world) having so much at stake in the war, is this a productive stance? Can you support the troops while hating the conflict?

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CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 8 years
Brandy, did anyone force your sister in law to join up, last i looked there wasnt a draft so her leaving..is her own fault.
jessy777 jessy777 8 years
How can the job every be done when we don't know what the end result is meant to be? The war was started on false claims of WMDs, to bring down the current regime and establish a new democracy. There were no WMDs, the previous regime has been removed (mostly)and there is a new Iraqi government. What is the purpose of the war now? I think it is fully possible to support the troops and hate the war. Violence hasn't ended due to U.S. presence and things are getting worse everyday. There should be a decrease in the number of troops in Iraq instead of the massive surge Bush continues to push for. I agree with Fiesty, it isn't the job of the U.S. government to police the world and we need to focus internally before we crumble. In case some people missed it the economy is tanking, there is a massive credit crunch and the number of unemployed and people without access to basic health care continues to increase everyday. I LOVE my troops and do not like my patriotism questioned because I believe this is an immoral war fought for monetary gain.
kh61582 kh61582 8 years
How about support the troops and support the war? Interesting that's not an option. So I guess it's official that citizen sugar is just as liberal as CNN.
minaminamina minaminamina 8 years
Cine,I wasn't implying your education was sub-par, I was just pointing out to you that this basic history, which you seem to dismiss in every single comment, is very much available for you to learn, if you were willing to give it a glance. You cannot dismiss the lingering imperialism we take part in in one breath and then blame the war and anti-American sentiment in Iraq on 'fundamentalists' in the other without never having been exposed to the history of our interaction with the region. Trust me, the truth is far more enlightening than the propagandized and historically inaccurate rhetoric you have been spewing. Furthermore, MOST Iraqi's are glad Saddam is out of power - those SAME Iraqi's are picking up weapons to, what they consider, defend themselves against American troops. It's not as simple as good & evil - there's a whoooole millenia of backdrop to understand.
minaminamina minaminamina 8 years
Cine,I wasn't implying your education was sub-par, I was just pointing out to you that this basic history, which you seem to dismiss in every single comment, is very much available for you to learn, if you were willing to give it a glance. You cannot dismiss the lingering imperialism we take part in in one breath and then blame the war and anti-American sentiment in Iraq on 'fundamentalists' in the other without never having been exposed to the history of our interaction with the region. Trust me, the truth is far more enlightening than the propagandized and historically inaccurate rhetoric you have been spewing.Furthermore, MOST Iraqi's are glad Saddam is out of power - those SAME Iraqi's are picking up weapons to, what they consider, defend themselves against American troops. It's not as simple as good & evil - there's a whoooole millenia of backdrop to understand.
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
Julius I did watch people try to ruin this country, it is called 9/11. And before I get jumped on, I am not implying that we went in there for the right reasons, I am replying to Julius saying "Imagine you were attacked by and enemy who had powerful weapons, a bad attitude and proceeded to ruin your country before your eyes?" And believe it or not, there are many Iraqi's who are happy that Suddam is not in power. And there are many who are not necessary fighting for their country, but for power over their country. The people I speak of are not the general public of Iraq. But what is the point of even writing any more. It is like beating my head on a brick wall.
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
Julius I did watch people try to ruin this country, it is called 9/11. And before I get jumped on, I am not implying that we went in there for the right reasons, I am replying to Julius saying "Imagine you were attacked by and enemy who had powerful weapons, a bad attitude and proceeded to ruin your country before your eyes?"And believe it or not, there are many Iraqi's who are happy that Suddam is not in power. And there are many who are not necessary fighting for their country, but for power over their country. The people I speak of are not the general public of Iraq. But what is the point of even writing any more. It is like beating my head on a brick wall.
CollegeGirl CollegeGirl 8 years
I support the troops and the war. It's impossible to support the troops in one breath and condemn their actions in the next.
JuliusCaesar JuliusCaesar 8 years
I'm not American, so maybe I shouldn't have a say in this but I'm British and our troops are out there too because of our idiotic former Prime Minister. I do support our troops but they have no place in Iraq - they belong at home with their families. It seems everyone has something to say (rightly so) but CineLover's statement ("But the fact of the matter is that they are there, and they are dangerous and they want us dead.")strikes me as odd. Of course they're going to be their - it's their country. And I'm sorry but dangerous? Imagine if you were attacked by an enemy who had powerful weapons, a bad attitude and proceeded to ruin your country before your eyes? An Iraqi friend lost his wife and kids after their house got bombed by the US, do you really think he would wish happiness to the people who caused that? Yes they are dangerous but they're defending their country in their opinion. Troops aren't disposable toys to be wasted on bringing 'democracy' to a country that doesn't want it shoved down its throat.
JuliusCaesar JuliusCaesar 8 years
I'm not American, so maybe I shouldn't have a say in this but I'm British and our troops are out there too because of our idiotic former Prime Minister. I do support our troops but they have no place in Iraq - they belong at home with their families. It seems everyone has something to say (rightly so) but CineLover's statement ("But the fact of the matter is that they are there, and they are dangerous and they want us dead.")strikes me as odd. Of course they're going to be their - it's their country. And I'm sorry but dangerous? Imagine if you were attacked by an enemy who had powerful weapons, a bad attitude and proceeded to ruin your country before your eyes? An Iraqi friend lost his wife and kids after their house got bombed by the US, do you really think he would wish happiness to the people who caused that? Yes they are dangerous but they're defending their country in their opinion. Troops aren't disposable toys to be wasted on bringing 'democracy' to a country that doesn't want it shoved down its throat.
x_juicyfruit x_juicyfruit 8 years
Love the troops, hate the war.
emalove emalove 8 years
I completely agree too...love the troops, hate the war.
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
mina, I understand the business part of the Middle East. And why is it if anyone says anything contrary to your statements you tell them to read? I am well read and well educated. Your snide remarks do nothing for your cause and distracts from whatever point you are trying to make. If you want to flex your muscles, aka Alpha female personality, do it by responding to peoples comments without rude remarks suggesting that a person has less then a high school education. Otherwise do me a favor and don't respond to any of my comments.
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
mina, I understand the business part of the Middle East. And why is it if anyone says anything contrary to your statements you tell them to read? I am well read and well educated. Your snide remarks do nothing for your cause and distracts from whatever point you are trying to make. If you want to flex your muscles, aka Alpha female personality, do it by responding to peoples comments without rude remarks suggesting that a person has less then a high school education.Otherwise do me a favor and don't respond to any of my comments.
minaminamina minaminamina 8 years
Cine, no one here said that there was absolutely no intent of violent anti-Americanism, nor did anyone allege that there was total peace in the Middle East - I think the point that you're missing is that this did not usually exist in popular Middle Eastern culture until the end of colonialism, when cultural divides were imposed on the people by the departing imperialists who depended on the Middle East for business deals. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? It's not a partisan opinon, it's a noted fact - a high school textbook contains this information, so I encourage you to pick one up.
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
It really amazes me that people actually think that there is not intent to kill American's. It makes me think of that American who went over to Iraq and said that the terrorists were misunderstood, then he was kidnapped and beheaded on Television. And I completely understand that Islamic fundamentalists are not all Muslims. But the fact of the matter is that they are there, and they are dangerous and they want us dead. And if you think they are so peaceful, I will give you the phone numbers of some of my family over there who can't practice their Christian beliefs. They will tell you how peaceful it is.
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
It really amazes me that people actually think that there is not intent to kill American's. It makes me think of that American who went over to Iraq and said that the terrorists were misunderstood, then he was kidnapped and beheaded on Television. And I completely understand that Islamic fundamentalists are not all Muslims. But the fact of the matter is that they are there, and they are dangerous and they want us dead.And if you think they are so peaceful, I will give you the phone numbers of some of my family over there who can't practice their Christian beliefs. They will tell you how peaceful it is.
sweetrae80 sweetrae80 8 years
Minaminamina, i couldn't agree with you more. The bottom line is that is is incorrect for Americans to assume that this war is about Islamic fundamentalists hating "our way of life." That would be like an Iraqi person saying that America is at war with them because we hate everything that they stand for. And contrary to popular belief, Middle Eastern people are generally not Islamic fundamentalists. They are moms, dads, teachers, children etc. who just want to live their lives in peace. We all know that our government works with, and is essentially, a corporation that wants to make and control money when and wherever possible. The Middle East has always been a battleground between countries because of its oil reserves and accessibility to multiple countries and bodies of water. I believe that most people in this messed up world just want to live in peace, and they couldn't care less what religion or views people half way across the world hold. I pray for the American soldiers too and I want to have pride in the country that I call home, but through having read a lot of history on American, British, French, and Spanish imperialist practices, I firmly believe that the West is the hateful, violent, and erroneous party in this war.
sweetrae80 sweetrae80 8 years
Minaminamina, i couldn't agree with you more. The bottom line is that is is incorrect for Americans to assume that this war is about Islamic fundamentalists hating "our way of life." That would be like an Iraqi person saying that America is at war with them because we hate everything that they stand for. And contrary to popular belief, Middle Eastern people are generally not Islamic fundamentalists. They are moms, dads, teachers, children etc. who just want to live their lives in peace. We all know that our government works with, and is essentially, a corporation that wants to make and control money when and wherever possible. The Middle East has always been a battleground between countries because of its oil reserves and accessibility to multiple countries and bodies of water. I believe that most people in this messed up world just want to live in peace, and they couldn't care less what religion or views people half way across the world hold. I pray for the American soldiers too and I want to have pride in the country that I call home, but through having read a lot of history on American, British, French, and Spanish imperialist practices, I firmly believe that the West is the hateful, violent, and erroneous party in this war.
BRANDYNICOLE730 BRANDYNICOLE730 8 years
No, you see, that is a Republican thing to make opposition to the war look like the bad guys. In my opinion, Republicans use the troops as a ploy to make disagreeing with this illegal war an outrage. I think it is more outrageous that people who spew that (if you don't support the war, you don't support the troops) are the same people responsible for sending our troops to war illprepared and under trained. No body armor anyone? I don't think supporting the troops is the same as sending them into danger with no armor, and then they have to buy pieces of scrap metal from Iraqis to apply to the sides of their vehicles. Telling everyone we don't support the troops is just an easy way of getting us to stop our argument against the war, so that you don't have to actually think, because every reason the administration has provided for going to war has been misproven. Shouldn't we have had some sort of plan for legitimate contractors to enter the country and set-up the infrastructure? I don't agree that part of our troops job is as a contractor. Meanwhile, the no-bid contractors (Blackwater, anyone?) that went to build the infrastructure, get paid far more than our troops, to do a job that isn't even inhabitable. Not to mention, why should we set up their country better than what they had before we invaded. There are places in the United States that conditions are quite similar to those of which you described above. For those of you which take offense to what I've written, I apoligize. My sister-in-law leaves to Iraq in June, and I believe she would be more useful at home with her children, and not because I think women should stay home with kids. Everytime she leaves for a few weeks at a time, I see the huge impact it has on her children, especially her 5-year old daughter. A year or more is going to be very detrimental to my neice. She knows she is leaving, but can't fathom that length of time.
BRANDYNICOLE730 BRANDYNICOLE730 8 years
No, you see, that is a Republican thing to make opposition to the war look like the bad guys. In my opinion, Republicans use the troops as a ploy to make disagreeing with this illegal war an outrage. I think it is more outrageous that people who spew that (if you don't support the war, you don't support the troops) are the same people responsible for sending our troops to war illprepared and under trained. No body armor anyone? I don't think supporting the troops is the same as sending them into danger with no armor, and then they have to buy pieces of scrap metal from Iraqis to apply to the sides of their vehicles. Telling everyone we don't support the troops is just an easy way of getting us to stop our argument against the war, so that you don't have to actually think, because every reason the administration has provided for going to war has been misproven. Shouldn't we have had some sort of plan for legitimate contractors to enter the country and set-up the infrastructure? I don't agree that part of our troops job is as a contractor. Meanwhile, the no-bid contractors (Blackwater, anyone?) that went to build the infrastructure, get paid far more than our troops, to do a job that isn't even inhabitable. Not to mention, why should we set up their country better than what they had before we invaded. There are places in the United States that conditions are quite similar to those of which you described above.For those of you which take offense to what I've written, I apoligize. My sister-in-law leaves to Iraq in June, and I believe she would be more useful at home with her children, and not because I think women should stay home with kids. Everytime she leaves for a few weeks at a time, I see the huge impact it has on her children, especially her 5-year old daughter. A year or more is going to be very detrimental to my neice. She knows she is leaving, but can't fathom that length of time.
nomore3x5s nomore3x5s 8 years
I think it is completely hypocritical to support "the troops" but not what they are fighting for. These men and women are risking their lives for this war, so how can you possible support them without supporting their goal?
piper23 piper23 8 years
My husband was over there in 2005 and is slated to go back in 2009. While he was there he was in charge of infrastructure development in an area of Iraq that had never had running water. Sewage was literally running down the streets. Before he left his unit had overseen the construction of a water and sewer system and they also helped with the construction of three schools. I know that this war has gone on a lot longer than most of us anticipated but let's not overlook the fact that the majority of the country is benefiting from us being over there. I'm not taking sides on this issue because I know that both sides have valid points. But I do know this, my husband is proud of his service in Iraq and is ready to go back when called.
vavavoom vavavoom 8 years
I think everyone is sick of this war.
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
Mina your last sentence is SOOOOOOOO true!!!!! Fiesty, I think it is a mixture of the a lot of reasons why people join the armed forces. Some is because of legacy, some it is for what they say, love of this country, and some because they feel that they have no other choice, as you said for economic reasons. When my brother joined, he had NO direction in life. He did not want to go to school, he was working at a dead end job and so he joined the army. It was THE best thing he could have done for himself. He has wonderful children, whom adore him. He has a great job that he would not have gotten if he had not joined and it paid for his college (I have a large family, with little money so we have to pay for college ourselves). It worked for him. On the other side it took him a while to become himself again once he came back from the middle east. He does not talk about it much, so I don't know much of what he experienced.His story is the same as most of my friends and family who have served. They come from a lower economic class but it gave them a direction and not one of them regret enlisting. I can see how some people see it as exploitation, because it could be viewed as "what other choice do these people have". But I don't see it that way. The Draft on the other hand I do see as an exploitation on the lower economic class.
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