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Mom Tried to Have "Rudolph" Banned From School Performance

Mom Tried to Have "Rudolph" Banned From School Performance

The kindergartens of North Carolina's Murrayville Elementary practiced a rendition of "Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer" in music class to prep for a PTA holiday performance until one mother objected to what she thought were religious overtones in it. The woman felt the words "Santa" and "Christmas" in the lyrics should not be taught in public school and petitioned that the song be removed from the program. The school board ruled that it was an appropriate tune and allowed the children to perform it. What's your opinion?

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bittlerelly bittlerelly 7 years
I'd like to propose that while Santa and Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer are not part of the by-the-book original Christmas in a religious sense, they are a part of our society's contemporary Christmas observances. I don't think anyone can deny that Christmas is a primarily Christian holiday. (albeit celebrated by lots of non Christians around the world) Because Christmas is a Christian holiday, Santa and Rudolph symbolize a Christian holiday, and because Christianity is a religion, Santa and Rudolph symbolize a religious observance. Having said that, I do not object to my daughter singing along with "secular" Christmas songs. I will not be comfortable with her singing songs like "Silent Night" or "Away in a Manger". She has always been taught at home that Christmas is a holiday that we don't celebrate at home because we aren't Christians, but that we respect others rights to celebrate whatever they want.
bittlerelly bittlerelly 7 years
I'd like to propose that while Santa and Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer are not part of the by-the-book original Christmas in a religious sense, they are a part of our society's contemporary Christmas observances. I don't think anyone can deny that Christmas is a primarily Christian holiday. (albeit celebrated by lots of non Christians around the world) Because Christmas is a Christian holiday, Santa and Rudolph symbolize a Christian holiday, and because Christianity is a religion, Santa and Rudolph symbolize a religious observance. Having said that, I do not object to my daughter singing along with "secular" Christmas songs. I will not be comfortable with her singing songs like "Silent Night" or "Away in a Manger". She has always been taught at home that Christmas is a holiday that we don't celebrate at home because we aren't Christians, but that we respect others rights to celebrate whatever they want.
crazytrainXD crazytrainXD 7 years
first off, santa is NOT a religious icon. and what happend to the first amendment and the freedom of religion? singing a hanukka (srry cant spell it) song is religous! HEY LADY, DONT CRY WOLF ABOUT SOME THING RELIGIOUS WHEN YOUR GONNA MAKE A WOLF ACTULY BE THERE! gosh... TAKE A CHILL PILL LADY! i bet they sang rudolph when you where a kid...
facin8me facin8me 7 years
"lol, ever seen a santa or rudolph in your church?"I've seen Santa at church too. The church I used to go to had windows on the ceiling near the altar and you could see the chimney out those windows. Every year my dad would put a cutout of a Santa with a bag of toys on the chimney. The Santa was looking over his shoulder and making a "shh" sign with his finger over his mouth. When kids would walk up with their parents to be blessed during communion, the kids would see Santa and get jazzed about it.
facin8me facin8me 7 years
"lol, ever seen a santa or rudolph in your church?" I've seen Santa at church too. The church I used to go to had windows on the ceiling near the altar and you could see the chimney out those windows. Every year my dad would put a cutout of a Santa with a bag of toys on the chimney. The Santa was looking over his shoulder and making a "shh" sign with his finger over his mouth. When kids would walk up with their parents to be blessed during communion, the kids would see Santa and get jazzed about it.
LadyLiLa83 LadyLiLa83 7 years
What's the big deal? If she doesn't want her child in the program, don't let her child be in the program. Don't ruin the program for everyone else, lady!
Greggie Greggie 7 years
"lol, ever seen a santa or rudolph in your church?" Yes at our Catholic Church Santa came and visited the children on Sunday before mass, then stayed and sat with them in the two front pews.
Greggie Greggie 7 years
"lol, ever seen a santa or rudolph in your church?"Yes at our Catholic Church Santa came and visited the children on Sunday before mass, then stayed and sat with them in the two front pews.
momma-tikita momma-tikita 7 years
um kind of stupid lady. Why not take YOUR kid out and let the other kids have their fun?!
Sarana Sarana 7 years
I wish people would stop being so difficult. I went to a school without any religious ties (in my country we have different schools for everything kind of religion and 1 type for no religion at all) and we still celebrated Saint Nicolas and Christmas and it was never a problem. What is this woman afraid of happening to her child by singing or hearing a song about another religion? Will it hurt him? NO, so what's the problem?
Sarana Sarana 7 years
I wish people would stop being so difficult. I went to a school without any religious ties (in my country we have different schools for everything kind of religion and 1 type for no religion at all) and we still celebrated Saint Nicolas and Christmas and it was never a problem. What is this woman afraid of happening to her child by singing or hearing a song about another religion? Will it hurt him? NO, so what's the problem?
Trixie6 Trixie6 7 years
Some people have too much time on their hands. This idiot woman needs to get over it. What's next? Banning Christmas altogether?
snowysakurasky snowysakurasky 7 years
""I personally feel that if a public school is going to put on a holiday pageant kind of thing, they should include Hanukkah songs."" do you mean songs from all cultures represented in the USA or just, if xmas songs, then Hanukkah songs too? it would be hard to draw the line as to what is an important holiday to get festive about at school, and also have time for the school work too! if there is any problem with pubic schools it is the lack of quality education and safety :( if they did keep everything religon/culture- neutral at public schools, it could still be okay, because children could do the holiday activities (singing carols, cutting out snowflakes, making gingerbread cookies, etc) associated with their family's culture/religion at home, with relatives,at the daycare their parents choose, etc. In principal this is a secular state, and some groups seem to feel sick of the christianity being shoved down their throats. i like christmas carols, but i am biased because its my cultural background. and if it was overly jesusy that might be hard to take, because i hope to raise my son an agnostic, like our whole family. So i can see why some people want rudolph gone. At the same time, although i am not religious, i dont know if the world will be a better place without religion. the USA is one of the most religious countries is the western world and if it is going totally secular, well, obviously the world is changing!
snowysakurasky snowysakurasky 7 years
""I personally feel that if a public school is going to put on a holiday pageant kind of thing, they should include Hanukkah songs.""do you mean songs from all cultures represented in the USA or just, if xmas songs, then Hanukkah songs too? it would be hard to draw the line as to what is an important holiday to get festive about at school, and also have time for the school work too! if there is any problem with pubic schools it is the lack of quality education and safety :(if they did keep everything religon/culture- neutral at public schools, it could still be okay, because children could do the holiday activities (singing carols, cutting out snowflakes, making gingerbread cookies, etc) associated with their family's culture/religion at home, with relatives,at the daycare their parents choose, etc. In principal this is a secular state, and some groups seem to feel sick of the christianity being shoved down their throats.i like christmas carols, but i am biased because its my cultural background. and if it was overly jesusy that might be hard to take, because i hope to raise my son an agnostic, like our whole family. So i can see why some people want rudolph gone. At the same time, although i am not religious, i dont know if the world will be a better place without religion. the USA is one of the most religious countries is the western world and if it is going totally secular, well, obviously the world is changing!
lickety-split lickety-split 7 years
lol, ever seen a santa or rudolph in your church? none in ours. my girls go to catholic school and at our christmas performance there are NEVER any songs about santa or rudolph; they are about Jesus! silly that little children can't sing about a cartoon character without someone hiring a lawyer and demanding equal time for something that isn't equal.
lickety-split lickety-split 7 years
lol, ever seen a santa or rudolph in your church? none in ours. my girls go to catholic school and at our christmas performance there are NEVER any songs about santa or rudolph; they are about Jesus! silly that little children can't sing about a cartoon character without someone hiring a lawyer and demanding equal time for something that isn't equal.
MissSushi MissSushi 7 years
white as in colorless, lacking depth of any kind, etc, btw.. not caucasian
psterling psterling 7 years
I grew up in the 80's and I clearly remember singing silent night and the dreidel song at my holiday pageant. No biggie, everyone's happy.
MissSushi MissSushi 7 years
Im tired of all of this ridiculous banning crap. Most schools dont even celebrate anything, becuase they cant just call it christmas anymore, and even "holiday celebrations" are slowly being banned. No class parties, no fun things anymore. Ignorant adults are ruining all of the magic and fun for our children. Its such a bummer. We are slowly turning into all of those movies set in the indeterminate future where everything is white, controlled, and insufferable.
RenSis RenSis 7 years
I'm just waiting for the Easter bunny to be banned! I can see it now... "Parent claims Easter bunny moved the stone from Jesus' tomb. Petitioning to have the Easter bunny banned from American culture!"
RenSis RenSis 7 years
I'm just waiting for the Easter bunny to be banned! I can see it now... "Parent claims Easter bunny moved the stone from Jesus' tomb. Petitioning to have the Easter bunny banned from American culture!"
RenSis RenSis 7 years
I can see a parent being concerned if the children were reenacting Jesus in the manger but Santa? Huh? I grew up next door to an agnostic family and they celebrated CHRISTMAS as a holiday to appreciate family and friends with the Christmas tree, lights, presents, songs, cards, etc...they just left religion out of it. Which is what schools should do, and is what parents should accept! I just don't understand why some people are so hostile...chill out, relax...Just let the kids be kids (and enjoy it)!!
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