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Heroes Rundown Chapter Eight: "Villlains"

Heroes Rundown Chapter Eight: "Villlains"

This week's episode of Heroes goes back a year, filling in some blanks and connecting some stories with others we've already seen. Is it wrong that I might've liked this episode more than the others recently because it includes bits of season one?

The episode goes back to show how some of the heroes became villains in the first place. As the opening narration explains when Hiro goes all white-eyed, "To fight evil, one must know evil. One must journey back in time and find that fork in the road where heroes turn one way and villains turn another." From there we see what Hiro sees — the secret goings-on in some of the heroes lives a year ago.

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  • It's interesting: It used to seem like Linderman was the ultimate in evil villains but as it happens, Arthur is so much worse. Arthur tells Linderman he'll try to convince Nathan to keep his office from investigating "all things Linderman," and if it doesn't work Arthur will kill him. He then references Shakespeare: "When the son challenges the father, only one is left standing."
  • Turns out Meredith and Flint "fireball hands" are siblings and the Company's Mr. Thompson (Eric Roberts) hunts them down, takes them to the Company and tells Meredith she can become an agent for the Company or remain a prisoner. She hates the Company, but chooses the agent option over prisoner.
  • Wow, Sylar tried to hang himself? Elle walks in just in time ("showing up out of nowhere, like an angel") and saves him. "Forgive me," he says to her before starting to cry.
  • Nathan still wants to bury Linderman in "a very deep hole for a very long time," so Arthur is the one who causes the car accident in which Heidi is injured! That's some fatherly love. It breaks my heart to see Angela — who was once so much more innocent — trust in Arthur, who is such a jerk.
  • Also sad: Elle has feelings for Sylar! Sylar's happiness at the peach pie ("That's my favorite kind!") is so sweet. Elle wants the Company to back off of Sylar but HRG says they need to witness Sylar killing someone, and Elle needs to follow the Company's orders or else she's on her own.
  • Poor Angela! Arthur just gets in her head and makes her believe things, like "Nathan has to die." Linderman tells Angela he can heal the scars that Arthur leaves every time he puts thoughts in her mind and erases her memory, saying, "Arthur is betraying you in the most heinous way possible. He's going to kill your son." She slaps him and calls him a liar, but he continues: "You have to decide: Do you want to live in blind obedience, or do you want to know the truth?" She chooses the truth.

  • Meredith captures her first "special person" successfully (though for getting a blow to the head with a heavy metal fist, that dude she's working with recovers amazingly quickly), and feels accomplished. Soon, however, she discovers Flint has been taken in by the Company and he says he's going to be an agent, too. She thinks they're tricking him because he's dumb. "Remember what daddy used to say? God gave you a big sister instead of a brain." They try to escape, but Mr. Thompson finds them, and Flint jumps off the train. Meredith tries to escape as well, after setting the train on fire, but ultimately Mr. Thompson captures her again. However, as soon as she tells him she hates the company because they killed Claire in a fire, he lets her go free. I definitely did not see that coming.
  • It's so sad how Elle deceives Sylar, even when she doesn't want to. She introduces him to another "special" guy, Trevor, but when it comes down to Sylar getting the hunger and doing his brain thingy to him, Elle caves, electrifies him and tells him he doesn't have to do this. In the end, though, he tells her to leave and opens Trevor's brain as HRG watches.
  • Angela poisons Arthur! "I lied. It's not your mother's recipe." She is my new favorite character. "You were a visionary, but somewhere along the line you lost your soul." Nathan comes home and gets his father to the hospital where Angela and Nathan are told Arthur's dead. In truth, Arthur is alive and still has his power — but is now paralyzed. At his memorial service Angela instructs Nathan and Peter to "not idolize your father because he's dead. He wasn't a god, he was a man. Deeply flawed in ways you will never know."
  • Elle feels guilty about Sylar: "He had a soul, Bennet, he could have been saved." HRG, ever the Company Man, tells her simply that they're agents and they just have to follow orders. He then gets into a cab driven by Mohinder, goes to JFK.
  • Then the crazy ending! Hiro awakens/comes out of his spirit walk thing and finds Usutu beheaded (gross!). Suddenly, Arthur appears and grabs Hiro's head. Hiro starts screaming.

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ildergreier ildergreier 8 years
I actually like Arthur.
thelorax thelorax 8 years
I loved the Sylar/Elle story. And I'm going to be SO SAD if Arthur rips off poor little Hiro's head!! Hiro is my FAVORITE. ...does anyone else have a giddy giggling fit when Hiro and Parkman do the NBC rap????
tlsgirl tlsgirl 8 years
Okay, so I now despise Angela and Arthur Petrelli. I guess this was supposed to explain why she got so evil, but it didn't really make me feel for her at all, and Arthur is just straight evil. I still felt bad for Nathan and Peter at the end though, when they're at their father's "funeral." As for the episode as a whole I really liked it, especially the bits with Sylar and Elle. I hope that they manage to bring them back together, because they were pretty cute. I don't like the way that HRG is shaping up though. He's being seeming more callous and uncaring with every episode. I admit to liking this ep more because of the first season scenes, too. Still the best season, but this one is definitely helping to make up for Season 2 with each new episode.
treb treb 8 years
This is the episode that lost me. I imagine I will come back and try to watch this season once it's been released on DVD but I now have an open time slot on Monday nights from 8 to 9 pm.
Jess8902 Jess8902 8 years
Arthur is just freakin awful! So much for Nathan thinking he's the favorite. I felt horrible for Angela and guilty for thinking she's the bad guy for so long. Dammit and Peter's wig didn't look like his original hair in season 1. I think I may be the only person who was sad when he cut it. Oh well. I am stoked for next week. Please let it keep getting better and not get cancelled..
YMO YMO 8 years
@pumachik, I'm not sure about the first part, but he has Peter's powers now - one of which was time travel. So he probably used one of Peter's powers to get to Hiro. I'll miss Usutu :(
haydee haydee 8 years
I hope Hiro gets to jump in time before he lost his power. I can't believe they are setting up Sylar to be the hero this season if everyone else has lost their power.
amloveaffair amloveaffair 8 years
I don't understand why they do the re-cap and the start the episode with a scene we already saw. They've been doing that for the past few weeks. I think I need to re-watch the entire series but I am very confused.
Michelann Michelann 8 years
I am SO mad that Usutu died. He was absolutely my favorite new character. I did not like this episode, it didn't really give us an new or useful information. It seems like the writers are trying to stall, or re-cap to draw in new viewers.
fakeplanettelex fakeplanettelex 8 years
here's my question that left me hanging at the end of the episode: why did both nathan and angela tell peter their father killed himself in season 1? obviously we now know angela poisoned arthur; HOWEVER nathan thought it was a heart attack. now if nathan was led to believe his father died from a heart attack, why would both nathan and angela tell peter arthur "killed himself?" either it's an oversight/loophole by the writers (think superfans don't remember details like these?!?!) or there is something else to the story.... also, how the hell did arthur appear magically in africa? where did this magnificent power come from? argh, so frustrating. until next monday....
Phasekitty Phasekitty 8 years
The first two episodes this season were awesome- but it hasn't done much for me since then. In fact this flashback episode just made me angry- in 2 1/2 seasons we've hardly progressed 1 year? It doesn't seem right. This show has ruined it's continuity with it's flash forward and flash back episodes and now it just makes my head hurt and I can hardly remember anything about any of the characters anymore.
joanna33t joanna33t 8 years
I too loved this episode!! Before I forget, reesiekitty, I think your #3 is just a little off... I think the "ghost" Linderman was a creation of Parkman's dad and the same for the Linderman that Daphne saw. At least that's what I thought, but I could be wrong! My favorite thing about this episode was no Claire!! Yay!! And I forgot so quickly how great Peter used to be... I hope they bring him back to some decent dialog soon. And as for the ending - nooooo! Don't take Hiro's powers!! I wonder if there's any way that they can get their powers back from Arthur once he takes them. Right now he's just on his way to being a supervillian. Oh, and I had a question too - the radioactive power was really hard for Peter to control, but easy for Sylar and Arthur?? Can anyone explain that one? Thanks!
geebers geebers 8 years
ugh horrible spelling errors. turn=turned and not=now
geebers geebers 8 years
While I love these flashback episodes I do think the Silar thing is implausible. I like evil villain silar - he just didn't care about wrong or right and this is trying to erase that side of him. I don't mind Silar being evil and turning "good" because HE wants to do it. Before I felt Silar turn good because he finally felt special with Angela's motherly love- but not they are trying to make it seem as if he was led that way? No -give me the old self-absorbed Silar whose only wimpiness was mommy issues.
reesiekitty reesiekitty 8 years
Wow, I just said 'interesting' about 20 times... I guess I was just pleased because the show has been a little boring lately!!! i need a new word though... intriguing, maybe? ;)
superstar2780 superstar2780 8 years
I liked this episode, I don't have much to say about it ... interesting that arthur was basically pulling the strings making angela believe things and influencing linderman. and I liked elle and sylar's scenes. I'm glad this was a relatively claire-free episode, ha.
reesiekitty reesiekitty 8 years
This was the best episode we've had in a while!!! 1) Syler and Elle BEST THING EVER!!Now we know why he was so pissed and immediately tried to take off her head when he ran into her. Poor Elle is so ruled by fear and a lack of identity outside of the company. No one but Syler really liked her for herself either- they have a lot more in common than she realizes. Seriously though, these are two of the best actors and most interesting characters on the show. I would love to see them meet up again and work out their relationship- it would be really interesting and cool. Way more interesting than Mohinder/Maya, Nathan/Tracy or Parkman/Speedgirl . I hadn't thought about her being the mom of Syler's little future son, but it is an interesting possibility. 2) Ok, I know last ep, I said that the Petrelli family was getting a little too 'Days of our Lives' for me. Well, this week they got all 'Sopranos' on each other and it was AWESOME. Mama P is TOTALLY rocking 'It's not your mother's recipe' was the best line of the night. Seriously, this has explained a bunch of things and really set up some more interesting scenarios. 3) I loved it that Meredith and Flint are related! I wasn't all that interested in her before, but that was good backstory. I also liked it that Thompson let her go when he realized who Claire was. So agents ( as we know ) CAN choose to do something personal or nice- unlike what HRG was saying to Elle in the van. It made him look like an even worse hypocrite to say that, knowing what we know about Claire. 4) Linderman's helping Angela is also a good twist. Now we really don't know his motivation for helping Nathan ( bodiless Linderman, or ghost Linderman, I mean). He could really be trying to help him- or still working with Arthur. Or just pretending to help Arthur and playing both ends against the middle. Either way, good fun. So many things I did not miss: Lizard boy Mohinder moping around a lab, Maya ( a gimme),grumpy semi-evil Claire, grumpy Peter future-scar Petrelli... the 'grown up' characters were just all really complex and interesting this time around- yea!
ana-isabel ana-isabel 8 years
Hiro can't die, he just can't :( I'm think maybe Elle could be Sylar baby mama. This was a very good episode.
NadiaPotter NadiaPotter 8 years
omg omg omg! POOR HIRO do you think Elle might be the mother of Sylar alternative-future son?
geebers geebers 8 years
Did Hiro lose his powers?? POOR HIRO. I totally am on team Angela- she rocks. And I always felt for Elle- now I like her even more.
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