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Lost Episode 13: "Some Like it Hoth"

Lost Episode 13: "Some Like it Hoth"

My favorite part of this Lost episode? The Star Wars talk.

Otherwise, it's a whole lot of Miles and his father issues. This show has a long history of daddy issues. Some mom issues, too, but mostly dad stuff. I like Miles's stories because of his whole communicating-with-the-dead ability, though after some tense episodes, this one's a little on the tame side in comparison. I'm still curious to find out how Miles came to have his gift. To chat about "Some Like it Hoth,"


  • As a sweet little kid, with no trace yet of the snarky, sarcastic guy we now know, Miles finds a dead guy who he can "hear." Later, he exploits grieving people, taking their money to talk with their dead loved ones.
  • Horace brings Miles into his "circle of trust," and has him pick up a "package," which turns out to be a dead guy who "fell into a ditch" ("The ditch had a gun?"). Miles needs to bring the body to Chang at the Orchid and Hurley has to bring his sandwiches there, so Hurley wants to carpool to maybe prevent global warming.
  • Flashback to a younger, more pierced Miles asking his sick mother why he is the way he is, and what the deal was with his dad. She says his father kicked them out when Miles was just a baby. "Your dad has been dead a long time." Miles wants to find his father's body.
  • Hurley finds out about Miles's ability and tells him he can talk to dead people, too, but Miles explains, "What I can do has nothing to do with chatting with ghosts, you nitwit. It's a feeling, a sense. When somebody's dead their brain stops functioning which means there's no more talking. There's just who they were and what they knew before they died."
    Hurley: "You're just jealous my power's better than yours." Meanwhile, "Love Will Keep Us Together" plays on the radio, which I think is kinda funny, especially since there seems to be a sort of friendship developing between Hurley and Miles.
  • At the Orchid construction site, Chang is not happy that Hurley knows about the body, and he threatens to ship Hurley to the Hydra island where he can weigh polar bear feces for "their ridiculous experiments" if Hurley tells anyone.
  • Naomi approaches Miles and brings him to a dead body. Miles says the guy's name is Felix, and he was on his way to deliver something to Widmore. He seems disturbed by the information he gathers from Felix. Naomi explains that she's going on an expedition to an island where there are a number of deceased individuals who can provide valuable information. In exchange for Miles's help, Widmore will pay him $1.6 million (ahhh, so this is why, in "Eggtown," Miles blackmails Ben for exactly twice that amount: $3.2 million).
  • Hurley asks Miles about "all the Dharma dudes" who are going to die — doesn't he want to save them? "I can't save them! They're gonna get killed no matter what I do. So, why bother?"
  • Chang says he has a 3-month-old son named Miles. Hurley asks if Chang is a fan of jazz, like Miles Davis. "My wife is. I like country." Hurley suggests they all get together for a beer sometime. "How awesome would that be?" Then he sees construction workers building their hatch, "the one that crashed our plane."
  • Bram, of Bram and Ilana, tries to convince Miles not to go to work for Charles Widmore. "Do you know what lies in the shadow of the statue?"
    Miles: "No, can't say that I do."
    Bram: "Then you're not ready to go to the island. But if you come with us, all those things you've spent your life trying to find out, you'll know. You'll know who you are, Miles. Why it is you've got a gift. And most of all, you'll know about your father." When Miles refuses, Bram tells him, "You're playing for the wrong team."
  • Hurley thinks it's awesome that Miles can now hang out with his dad. "Maybe he'll let you hold baby you, or you can change your own diaper." This happened on an episode of Heroes, in which Claire held and played with a baby version of herself, and I found it kind of creepy.
  • I love this so much: Since it's 1977, Hurley thinks he'll send George Lucas the script to his Star Wars sequel. So he's writing The Empire Strikes Back . . . "with a couple of improvements." Then he uses Star Wars as a cautionary tale for Miles, saying that Luke was mad at his dad too, and instead of "putting away the lightsaber and talking about it, he overreacted and got his hand cut off. I mean, they worked it out eventually, but at what cost? . . . That all could have been avoided if they'd just, you know, communicated."
  • Sawyer tells Miles to erase the security tape that shows Sawyer and Kate bringing Little Ben through the sonic fence, but later Phil finds it and comes to Sawyer. Naturally, Sawyer hits him and tells Juliet to get some rope.
  • Baby Miles is ridiculously cute, and I myself felt a little choked up to see Adult Miles watching his dad playing with Baby Miles.
  • Chang needs Miles's help bringing in scientists from Ann Arbor, and one of these scientists is — yay! — Daniel Faraday! Hallelujah, the Faraday's back.

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iheartstyle iheartstyle 8 years
I quite liked this episode
fordhamgirl fordhamgirl 8 years
lost is amaaaaazing. no other show could hold me down in one place for an hour on a weeknight.
zeze zeze 8 years
Geek that is the one episode title of any show that I can't seem to ever forget - like it always pops into my head for not real reason.
Savs Savs 8 years
Another hilarious moment from this episode: did anyone else Juliet swoon when sawyer hit that guy?
Tech Tech 8 years
And the daddy stuff comes up again; remember the Season 1 ep titled "All the Best Cowboys have Daddy Issues"? (best ep title ever, btw.) It was re: Jack and Sawyer.
abelmm2 abelmm2 8 years
It will be interesting to see how this all plays out in the end.
emalove emalove 8 years
I don't have too much to say about this was entertaining, and I also liked the Hurley/Miles combo. I was happy to see Faraday too, Shafii!!
shafiii shafiii 8 years
I am so excited Farady is back! and that he remembers Miles! I loved this episode, Miles is definetley one of my favorite characters.
syako syako 8 years
At some point, there is a schism and the group splits- part of the group staying loyal to Richard and going off into the jungle to become 'Others' and the rest becoming the Dharma group we see in the 70s, led by Horace See, I was under the impression that the Horace Dharma group just showed up and took over. Not that there was a schism. Do you remember the episode/lostpedia ref ;) for that one or is it your speculation? (thanks)
princess_eab princess_eab 8 years
I loved the Miles-centric episode!!! Miles is hilarious. The look he gave his dad when his dad said he liked country... ha ha.
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 8 years
Did anyone notice Jack erasing the chalkboard, and on the chalkboard was a lesson about egypt.
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 8 years
It's obvious they have been there before so is it also possible that Bram and Illana are "sick"? I mean they are kind of Roussou style intense. Richard is a "creature" all to himself once things are revealed about him the real secrets of the Island will also be revealed I'm thinking he's Indigenous.
WhatTheFrockBlog WhatTheFrockBlog 8 years
I agree that there should be a Hurley and Miles show. Those two are hilarious together.
Jelly888 Jelly888 8 years
Do you think Ilana and Bram have something to do with Richard?
reesiekitty reesiekitty 8 years
Ok, I think this: First you have random people or groups through time who got onto the Island somehow- like the shipwreck of the Black Rock. Personally I think Richard was on the Black Rock originally and has been on the Island the longest, along with Jacob. Maybe Richard has been on the Island for so long that he no longer ages. Anyway... ( I don't know if there were already any indiginous people on the Island or how the cave or Smokey or any of that got there- I am assuming they found them there) Then,back in the 50s, the group of people who came to the Island from the mainland were there. Somehow Richard left the Island to bring that team there, because he is in charge- so the Island must have wanted them there. Widmore and Ellie (Farraday's mom) are part of this group. At some point, there is a schism and the group splits- part of the group staying loyal to Richard and going off into the jungle to become 'Others' and the rest becoming the Dharma group we see in the 70s, led by Horace- which seems to be thriving. However, something will happen even before Ben kills everyone, because obviously at least a few women and children left the Island around this time and were scared enough to want to never come back and never let their kids know anything about it. At that time, Ben the child leaves the village to join the Others and Widmore is still part of the Others. Later, after Ben goes back into the village and kills everyone, he takes active leadership from Richard (who seems to be a sort of 'placeholder' - he does not appear to mind either when Ben takes over or when Locke shows up, presumably because they have been 'chosen' by the Island. He DOES refuse to treat Widmore as a leader and basically ignores him) Ben moves the Others into the empty Dharma village and eventually kicks Widmore off the Island. They are there and re-establish the sub going back and forth and prosper again- while Ben keeps Widmore from coming back. The our original Losties crash and wacky hi-jenks ensue!!
syako syako 8 years
It would be funny/ironic if all these years ben and widmore were sparing, in actuality there's a whole other enemy they should have been paying attention to.
shmoo15 shmoo15 8 years
I definitely think the Ilana/Bram team is the other side Widmore was talking about when he told Locke about the "war" that was coming.
shmoo15 shmoo15 8 years
Love, love, Miles reading Hurley's "Empire Strikes Back" script. Pretty much the most amazing thing ever. Also! Who the heck are these other people, ie. Ilana & Bram? They don't seem to work for Ben, so what's the deal?
syako syako 8 years
If Ben and Widmore are truly with the "Others" than perhaps the statue people are old school still around Dharma people. :shrug:
reesiekitty reesiekitty 8 years
Jelly888- Widmore did NOT crash the plane! The dead guy Felix was killed while bringing Widmore EVIDENCE that fake graves were being dug, an old plane had been bought, etc. So someone else - most likely Ben of course- did all that and just didn't want Widmore to know about it, so he wouldn't think people had landed on the island. I thought Hugo and Miles had great chemistry together as actors. The fact that Miles' dad was involved just made it better " So your dad is the guy from those movies? How weird is that" I do think that Chang will send them away off the island to protect Miles and his mom- but in the flashback she did seem honestly bitter about it, not just like she had done it to protect Miles. So I think there is more to it than just that and I also think Chang is going to lose an arm soon. I think Ilana and Bram were also born on the Island- maybe their parents were Dharma people who went off the Island back when the sub was making regular trips and things were not so secretive. Anyway, they obviously wanted to get back and find some answers for themselves. I don't think they are with either Ben or with Widmore. The phrase about the statue is obviously a password or something. I also loved the whole 'Star Wars' reference- and the fact that Miles has been so caught up in Island reality for 3 years that he has totally forgotten the existence of things like Star Wars. What were the kids in the Dharma school studying? It looked like Egyptian and hieroglyphics on the chalkboard. Did anyone notice anything else? Kate was totally foolish in the way she approached Ben's dad- I don't blame Sawyer for being annoyed. But I liked it that Jack tried to step up for her in the school. Rumor has it that the actress who plays Juliet was auditioning for another project recently, so maybe she will be the major death that's coming up??
lilprisci lilprisci 8 years
I want to know what lies in the shadow of the statue!!!
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 8 years
Oh yeah and is Cesar really dead because I have a feeling he's on team" what lies in the shadow of the statue"??
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 8 years
Last nights episode was funny, and fun and a little refreshing. But of course it leads to more questions the "third team" theory, can it be that some "others" ( other than Ben/Widmore) have left the Island and formed their own team or do Bram/Illana predate Dharma/The Others? If I don't find out "what lies in the shadow of the statue" soon I'm may go "smokemonster" crazy!
brookberrys brookberrys 8 years
I literally squealed out loud when Faraday came out of the sub at the end. Hurley is by far my favorite character on this show. I'm really hoping that his part becomes more relevant in future episodes. I'm hoping last night's discussions about talking to the dead is leading up to some cool stuff happening for Hurley.
Jelly888 Jelly888 8 years
Hey, here is a way out there thought... Do you think that when Faraday went off the island, maybe he was in England and maybe he could be Charlotte's dad? Or that's when he warned her of the island? He seems to have ties with England (his mom and Oxford). Just a thought!
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