There's so much from the art world that's infiltrated into things, people have no idea . . . you turn on a Motorola phone, and the graphics are inspired by Takashi [Murakami]'s work, clearly. I don't think anybody who turns on the phone realizes that, but I think now, more than ever, visual art is really, really changing everything. And fashion is too, I mean, fashion is as popular as football . . . if not more popular.