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Camel No. 9: What's Your Opinion?

Camel No. 9: What's Your Opinion?

I am totally amazed that while all the positive developments in banning smoking in restaurants, bars, entire cities and even entire states are moving forward, something so entirely counterproductive in these efforts slips through the cracks. Introducing Camel No. 9, a new cigarette marketed towards women. Though it's meant to mimic Chanel No. 19 and Love Potion No. 9, I can't imagine these cigarettes will make you smell good or fall in love. But hey, who am I to judge?

There have been Camel No. 9 parties promoting the launch of the cigarette. Ladies only nights are being held in bars across the country, offering women facials, manicures, makeup and hair styling; all to be enjoyed while smoking a free pack of Camel No. 9s. You'll even get a goody bags full of treats like chocolates and coupons for drinks and the spa treatments oh, and possibly cancer. Am I missing something here? Smoking and spa treatments never went hand in hand in my book.

Did I mention that lung cancer is the leading cancer killer among women? Personally, I think Camel No. 9 is a monstrosity and I can only hope they pull them from the shelves before my own daughters are teenagers, but what do you think about it all?

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Butrfly4404 Butrfly4404 10 years
Oh, and I agree with facen8me. You can look away from the person who is disgusting you with how much they are eating (Why are you watching them ANYWAY?) - you can't look away from smoke filling your air space.
Butrfly4404 Butrfly4404 10 years
How funny (ironic funny, not HaHa funny) - but I saw these and actually said, "Why didn't they have those when I smoked?" Marketing guy did his job! I agree with the only comment I read, which was the first one.
fiestygirl fiestygirl 10 years
Wow! This is really shocking. This campaign that targets females is both disgusting and manipulative...and the unfortunate part is that you all are proving the point. Let's consider why would a cigarette company choice to target the female population. Afterall, females have been the majority (with their own jobs and spending money) for quite a while. Did anyone read about Dana Reeve's death? About all of the research that was highlighted at the time....that 20% women who develop lung cancer NEVER smoked, whereas this is the case in only 8% of male lung cancer pts. Hmmm, so women are more susceptible to SECONDHAND SMOKE, lung cancer AND BREAST CANCER. Isn't this interesting....and how timely of Camel to move in on this vulnerable population to get them hooked, before word has spread to the unknowing masses. As usual, I would be happy to point anyone questioning these facts to the appropriate journals....
facin8me facin8me 10 years
Yvette- How does a person next to you overeating impact your health? Is there some new second-hand fatness that you know about? If so, enlighten the rest of us. The health risks of secondhand smoke, on the other hand, are well documented. If smokers want to give themselves heart disease and lung cancer, go for it. But since smoking effects the health of the people around the smoker, those people have a right to say something and even (gasp!) roll their eyes at the smoker's selfishness.
yvette yvette 10 years
I think it hilarious how people give themselves the idea that it's ok to constantly attack smokers.Yes, smoking is nasty but I don't doubt someone going "ew ew ew" is going to make someone quit. The thing is Camel like any other company has one thing in mind, PROFIT. So, I keep asking myself when can I tell an obese person that they are absolutley repulsing me with the third helping of cake and make them stop? Is that socially acceptable now? I constanly see non-smokers rolling their eyes when someone lights up. I do when someone stuffs their face. I mean both things are negative to your health, but why can we bash smokers not overweight (I can't even say fat, with someone getting offended) people. All in all, I've noticed SOME none-smokers like the high-horse the're riding when they tell someone that "that thing is going to kill you." If I smoked and an overweight person told me to quit and explain to me that its bad to my lealth, I would literary laugh in their face. Wow. That was one PMS rant. But my opinion stays the same.
Swangeese Swangeese 10 years
I don't see a problem with the promotion. Yes cigarettes are gross, but they are a LEGAL product. A company has the right to promote a product for adults to adults whether or not you happen to like it. As a non-smoker, the night of camel beauty is absolutely unappealing. I hate cigarettes, but I also hate self-righteous militant anti-smokers. It's not about health, it's all about imposing your will on others in so that you can feel better about yourself. The same people who rail against cigarettes are usually the same ones driving around in gas guzzling vehicles.
muchacha muchacha 10 years
hahaha mwms I completely agree with you!! Much more interesting and thought-provoking.
mwmsjuly19 mwmsjuly19 10 years
Whoa. I hate cigarettes but am loving reading this comment thread. Lively. It's waaay more interesting than other discussions about Sarah Michelle Gellar's cuteness or Ben Affleck on holiday surfing.
krampalicious krampalicious 10 years
wow, seriously, early violence? you're really going to pull the "willpower" argument? it's pretty obvious where your loyalties lie, which is fine. props to your dad for making mad cash. here's something, however, that he and the rest of the tobacco companies would rather not tell you: cigarettes are addictive. and the companies add more than just nicotine to make them even more addictive. it's not a question of "will power," although it does take a tremendous amount of it to quit for good. your body goes through withdrawal when you quit smoking, much like an addict to any other substance. why do you think so many people try to quit smoking again and again but still fail? it is so ridiculously hard to quit and it is a true achievement when someone actually does quit. to hear that kind of nonsense from someone within the industry makes my skin crawl. i can't say i'm surprised, however, except at the fact you're not a smoker yourself. it's one thing to say that no one forces people to smoke, that it's a personal choice, because it is. but don't go spewing clueless corporate bedtime stories your daddy told you that all you need is will power to put down a product designed to make you a user for life. of course, the more people who quit, that's less money in your pocket, so i can understand why it would make you upset.
trendyindc trendyindc 10 years
Amen Haley! That's the problem! If they weren't "cool" looking, they probably wouldn't sell and they're targeting girls who are young. I'm 21 and I sure wouldn't start smoking now, but I know in high school people did for the sheer cool factor. Ick. P.S. The Canadian packaging is AWESOME. Google it if you've never seen it.
haleymichelled haleymichelled 10 years
i dont think these cigarettes are marketed towards women; more like towards little 16 year old girls. They are bright pink and scream COOL GIRLY CIGARETTE TO SHOW OFF TO YOUR FRIENDS. They also taste like air. good way to start off a smoking habit. Next thing you know, your smoking a pack of reds a day. whatever though dont blame the cigarette company. THey would be idiots if they tried to market this light fluffy cigarette to 60 year old cowboys. they just want to put food on the table- cut them a break
pixelhaze pixelhaze 10 years
cravin - thanks for the reply, sorry that everyone kind of ganged up on you. On the plus side it's great that you've managed to cut down your habit! ecann - your comment about the old ads reminded me about something I read once. Waaay back in the day doctors and even schools encouraged smoking because they thought it was good for you. Something about how it would kill toxins in your body? (HAHA) And I guess I should add that one of the reasons Im so firecely opposed to smoking is because of what it did to my grandfather. No matter what people told him he just couldn't stop. Then one day his doctor told him that if he didn't give it up they would have to amputate his leg. That was when he finally stopped. A year later he lost his leg, the damage was so severe that his effort came too late. What really saddens me the most about this story is that his daughter (my aunt) and even her son (my cousin) still smoke. Even after they saw what it did to him, they still can't give it up. That's how powerful those little sticks are, and it saddens me so much. I also have an aunt who, along with her husband, periodically stops and start smoking again. She can never fully give it up. Sometimes I think really the only way to get people to stop smoking is to keep them from starting. So sorry if I offend anyone, I don't mean to, but I really have very strong opinions about this.
facin8me facin8me 10 years
M155 J4CK13: Whatever tip of the iceberg existed in the case for smokers rights probably melted 25 years ago. Despite Richard Doll's distinguished record early in his research career, he spent the latter part of his life as an industry lapdog for any company that would throw money his way. Seeing as that it's known that he defended the products of Dow, Monsanto, and Turner & Newall (an asbestos company!), his 2001 statement dismissing secondhand smoke lacks all credibility. Though you cite a 1998 WHO study, I'd like to point out that nine years ago. Recent evidence, including the 2004 monograph from the International Agency for Research on Cancer, a 2005 from the California EPA, and a 2006 report from the US Surgeon General have, has shown an unambiguous link between secondhand smoke and adverse health effects. These effects include heart disease, lung cancer, breast cancer, respiratory illnesses, among others. The 1992 EPA report you cite is actually an early 1993 report that was attacked by RJ Reynolds, but has actually been subject to open public review and by a panel of independent scientific experts. The panel endorsed the methodology and the conclusions of the report. Anybody who reads the above comments by M155 J4CK13 should be aware that her "source," FOREST, is actually a "astroturf" group in the UK that receives almost all of its funding from the tobacco industry.
sarabel sarabel 10 years
a cigarette is a cigarette and they can market themselves however they want but they are proven to cause cancer and be addicting. i'm not for outlawing them but i also don't understand people who smoke them and think they are immune from the damage they cause.
EcannDallas EcannDallas 10 years
early violence are you kidding me with that logic? tobacco in itself isnt necessarily as bad...( i mean any carcinogens arent good for you) its all the poison and toxins that are put into the cigarettes which i guess you call "flavorings" that your dads company kills people with. my grandmother died of lung cancer from cigarettes and she quit smoking almost 20 years ago when cigarette companies were forced to be truthful. she was lied to basically. literally there are old advertisements saying how more DOCTORS smoke camels than any other brand and that disgusts me....i know you are biased because your livlihood depends on people smoking....but come on.
muchacha muchacha 10 years
and for the record, that surely is not going to happen while there are special interest groups on capitol hill.
muchacha muchacha 10 years
Ooh, my favourite topic. In Canada we require all cigarette packs to have a label that covers about 50% of the package which gives the standard Surgeon General's warning "Smoking will harm your baby", "Smoking can kill you" etc. But what is special is that the words are accompanied by a picture. Some of the pictures are pretty tame, like a picture of two kids resting their heads in their hands, but other are of blackended lungs and hearts. So if the tobacco companies can get away with their pretty packaging, I think it's the government's responsibility to fight back with images of the truth.
M155-J4CK13 M155-J4CK13 10 years
The animosity directed at smokers has gotten out of control these days. The negative health effects of second-hand smoke seem to be greatly exaggerated. Professor Sir Richard Doll, the first scientist to publish research that suggested a correlation between lung cancer and primary smoking: "The effects of other people smoking in my presence is so small it doesn't worry me." in March 1998 the World Health Organisation was forced to admit that the results of a seven-year study (the largest of its kind) into the link between passive smoking and lung cancer were not 'statistically significant'. This is because the risk of a non-smoker getting lung cancer has been estimated at 0.01%. According to WHO, non-smokers are subjecting themselves to an increased risk of 16-17% if they consistently breathe other people's tobacco smoke. This may sound alarming, but an increase of 16-17% on 0.01 is so small that, in most people's eyes, it is no risk at all. In 1992 the American Environmental Protection Agency published a report that was said to demonstrate the link between passive smoking and ill health in non-smokers. In 1996 however a US federal court ruled that the EPA had completely failed to prove its case. It was found not only to have abandoned recognised statistical practice, but to have excluded studies which did not support its predetermined conclusion, and to have been inconsistent in its classification of environmental tobacco smoke compared with other substances. (source: FOREST) Even though this is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the case for smoker's rights, I felt the need to post this small excerpt because the puritanical bullshit is getting out of hand in today's society and fear-based logic has gotten the best of us. With that said, I agree with smarler on this. Smokers will smoke.
gumdrops334 gumdrops334 10 years
As addictive as cigarettes are (thanks, nicotine)...can you IMAGINE how much crime there would be with people trying to get their hands on them if they were banned? I don't even want to think about it. And as for advertising...it's a matter of ethics. Can you blame the company for creating a cuter package for such a nasty product? They need a one-up on the other brands, so that they stand apart from the others. This is their way of doing that, by marketing to women. But mind you, I believe it is marketing to women SMOKERS. I am 19, and I have the choice whether to smoke or not. I don't smoke! And this pretty package would not in any way convince me to start smoking, nor would it convince any self respecting, educated human being to start. But if I WERE a smoker, I would probably try this. My point is, Camel No. 9's won't convince any smart person to start smoking. Only brand switching/brand loyalty. The job of the advertisers and the corporations is to make their brand more appealing than others. Why should they be punished for that?
PrissyLilBadAss PrissyLilBadAss 10 years
All this smoking talk makes me so GLAD I live in California where you pretty much can't smoke anywhere. There are no "smoking areas" indoors. In fact, you can't smoke within 20 feet of any door. So bars have designated smoking areas out doors and away from the building. As far as the whole Camel ad campaign, it sucks! But I don't particulary think it will lure non-smokers to cross over and start smoking. I think it will just cause some smokers to change brands.
panddaaaaaa panddaaaaaa 10 years
It's really a ridiculous thing. I'm just disgusted with smoking because recently I watched my grandma die and she had emphesima along with asthma from smoking for like 60 years. But, I have a friend who started smoking this cigarettes recently. In fact, last night she had them. I think that it'd be better if, like they do in England, we put messages on boxes of cigarettes that remind people of what smoking does rather than ban it altogether. It could end up like prohibition, that wouldn't be good.
Jivespeaker Jivespeaker 10 years
lame.
Greentea1203 Greentea1203 10 years
I hate when people accuse tobacco companies of marketing to children with their "pretty packages" and "flavored cigarettes," for example. I'm a 25-year-old woman, and I like pretty packages, I'm sorry, and I like flavored things. Now, I don't smoke because I hate it and it's gross (but hey, if you want to smoke, it's a free country) but if I did, yeah, I might buy these because it's a creative packaging. It's the same way I spend way too much money on new shampoos and face products because I like the packaging. Now, some may say I'm biased because my dad is a vice president of R.J. Reynolds, who makes Camel cigarettes, but I just think it's common sense. Don't smoke because it's bad for you. We've known this for so many years. I think it's stupid when people say they can't quit. Yes, you can, you just aren't using any will power. That's like blaming food for people being fat. It's not the food's fault as much as it is the people being lazy and not having the will power to stop eating so damn much. Besides, if they made cigarettes illegal, just imagine the black market on them. People would be smoking anyway and there would be more crime, etc, with people trying to get them. It's just the way with the Prohibition (with alcohol). The government gets a lot of taxes from tobacco, and it supplies hundreds of thousands of jobs across the world. Why make it illegal and have people on the street making all the money? Anyway, I'm ranting because this issue pisses me off. Children aren't the only ones who like pretty packages and flavors, etc. Kids aren't that dumb. They're going to smoke if they're going to smoke. They're going to do it because they think it makes them look cool or whatever, not just because a package is pink.
maryamrose maryamrose 10 years
There's a difference between being able to do something legally (market your product in an unhealthy way) and taking responsibility as a company to do the right thing. I still don't understand why tobacco, in the form of cigarettes, is still legal in this country.
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