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Abortion Survivor Sets Sights on Obama: Too Far or Fair Fight?

The 527, BornAliveTruth has unleashed a very pointed attack on Obama's abortion record, specific to the Illinois Born Alive Protection Act. In the ad, abortion survivor Giana Jensen looks straight at the camera and after outlining that Obama failed to oppose a law leaving babies to die after failed abortions, makes an appeal to the Senator saying, "Senator Obama, please support born alive infant protections. I’m living proof these babies have a right to live.”

Obama's campaign issued a firm and immediate response to the ad, saying:

The recent attacks on Senator Obama that allege he would allow babies born alive to die are outrageous lies. The suggestion that Obama -- the proud father of two little girls -- and others who opposed these bills supported infanticide is deeply offensive and insulting. There is no room for these kinds of distortions and lies in this campaign.

The campaign says Obama voted the way he did because the votes were attempts to undermine Roe v. Wade. The ad will be running in New Mexico and Ohio next week and it's apparently only the first phase of the campaign. Is this a fair criticism of Obama's record made by a strong spokesperson, or misleading politics?

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CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 8 years
I echo that statement Piper, well said.
piper23 piper23 8 years
I'm going to post this one thing and then I'm off this subject. Unless the mother is going to die from the pregnancy it is wrong to terminate a baby at a late stage of development. There are too many advances in technology that allows parents to screen for deformaties and abnormalities way before you reach your third tri-mester. The Born Alive Infant Protection Act had NOTHING to do with the mother. It is about protecting the late term BABY that is aborted alive. I cannot conceive of any reason why Barrack Obama would not have supported this bill. That's one of the major reasons why I would never support that man for President.
StrawberryBlonde StrawberryBlonde 8 years
I don't know if someone has posted this yet or not. The United States Supreme Court decisions on abortion, including Roe v. Wade, allow states to impose more restrictions on post-viability abortions than during the earlier stages of pregnancy. As of April 2007, 36 states had bans on late-term abortions that were not facially unconstitutional (i.e. banning all abortions) or enjoined by court order.[16] In addition, the Supreme Court in the case of Gonzales v. Carhart ruled that Congress may ban certain late-term abortion techniques, "both previability and postviability". Only Nine states have laws that require a second physician to be present during late-term abortion procedures in order to treat a fetus if born alive.[16] My sister said that when performing an abortion passed the 16th week, the doctor or nurses don't really look to see if the fetus is still breathing, they just put it all away in a red bio bag and try to forget what just happened. It's horrible but it does happen.
StrawberryBlonde StrawberryBlonde 8 years
Jillness you are wrong. I know for a fact you are wrong. My sister who is a nurse quit her job and went into another part of the field all together because she working in an abortion clinic and held a baby for 45 minutes until it died. She found it in the bio hazard bag when she heard cries like a kitten. It happened all the time there she said except this one was the only one who lived past a few minutes. It's NOT a law protecting them.
StrawberryBlonde StrawberryBlonde 8 years
wadewifey are you serious??? You make no sense whatsoever! Like Piper said it's about protecting the child after it has survived the normal procedure of late term abortion. WHO is protecting these children if not the politicians who make the laws???? Not the mother who paid for the abortion or the doctor who is profiting from these abortions (which is much more expensive than a regular first trimester abortion). I can't believe you are saying it's not up to the politicians :oy: I guess the people who get mugged in the night shouldn't have been on the street corner after dark. They shouldn't care to elect someone who is going to keep them safe with laws in place, they should just take it up with the mugger who's mugging them huh! Unbelievable!
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
Jill, I haven't found any law saying a child who survives a botched abortion is 100% supposed to be saved by the doctor. If that was the case there would be criminal charges brought against the doctors that were used as examples, and I haven't found any suggestion of that. Sometimes there is no way around something. Obama messed up.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
It was already law that if a doctor thought a child had a chance to live, they have to try and save it. The legislation (and the way people try to present it) is misleading.
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
Well, I reported 162 comments on here, but who's counting... ;)
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
Oh absolutely there were some kas, but as a whole for such a touchy subject, I think we all did well. And no one reported any comments! :highfive:
kastarte2 kastarte2 8 years
Seed to me like there were some personal attacks and some feathers ruffled. :cluck: But may that qualifies for acting civilized on this board these days. ;)
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
Actually Kas, i think we stayed pretty civil in this discussion. And I have been swayed by researching more about the Constitution. I went from wanting abortions completely banned to being adamant about it being a state decision. So you never know what you may learn with a little more knowledge.
kastarte2 kastarte2 8 years
Pop Thanks for that comment. It must have been hard for your mother to witness some of the things she did. I, too, have heard stories of women who chose to have later term abortions because of things like the child being born brain dead ect. I don't think these are decisions women make lightly. I really think debating abortion on this forum is pointless. No matter how many commercials like this are shown or how many photos of fetuses are posted, the pro choicers aren't going to change their minds. Just like the pro lifers aren't going to be swayed either. Whenever I read a thread discussing abortion, it always gets ugly and the ugliness comes from both sides. These debates are not conducive to our happy environment! :drinks:
amybdk amybdk 8 years
Pop - Good points. Thanks for the info.
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 8 years
My overall personal view on this is that it shouldn't be done and it's wrong , but the orginal question posed as about the ad and I think the ad is a little emotionally manipualtive and that implies that this person is for killing infants and I don't know if that's a fact or not. Yes he voted against the bill but that doesn't mean he things "murdering children" is okay. Just like John McCain voted against Bills directly related to benefits for vets, GI bill etc that doesn't mean John McCain a war hero and Vet doesn't care about the Soilders/Vets does it?
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 8 years
Of course I know what you meant you meant to imply that he supports the murder of babies and I got that from you playing with semantics yourself. "....In other words, he supports it under another name."
Mykie7 Mykie7 8 years
basty, now you're playing with semantics. You know what I meant because you just stated it yourself.
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 8 years
Cin, My response was to that of the full quote of a person who was saying that he supports the murder of infants which is what infanticide is and late term abortion isn't "always" infanticide. It would have been correct in saying that partial birth abortions are infanticide.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
"performed some procedure to kill the child." It's what he's being paid to do. Unfortunately. And Cine is exactly right. If the baby can live outside the womb it is infanticide.
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
How is late term abortion not infanticide if the baby can live outside of the womb? What is the difference?
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 8 years
"He doesn't support "infanticide", but he HAS voted for bills supporting late term abortion. In other words, he supports it under another name." lets be real! Late term abortion is not infanticide. Infanticide would be if the abortion was flubbed by the doctor and the baby was born and the doctor did nothing to aid the child and or performed some procedure to kill the child.
popgoestheworld popgoestheworld 8 years
My mom used to run up against some of this as a pre-natal genetic counselor. Sometimes, very late in the game, women will learn that their child has a condition that will cause them to die within 2-3 days of being born. These aren't your average genetic disorders... they are things like being born with your brain outside your head etc. Women in these cases sometimes want to get abortions because of the perceived greater emotional impact of continuing to carry the baby to term and then watching it die over 2 days. I have never been in such a situation and therefor I cannot necessarily judge the response some of these women have. Personally, the late-term abortions don't sit right with me. But in a situation like the above, I'm a little torn. There is a part of me that says "too bad. You don't just get to decide to end this person's life right now." But there is another part of me that could commiserate with a woman who couldn't bear to bring a basically dead infant to term. Anyway, sorry for the rant. In an ideal world, I would not want abortions to necessay!
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
Lil, according to the Guttmacher Institute there are approximately 1,032 abortions past that date per year. And according to the nurse who testified in front of Obama, most of the late term abortions she saw were from healthy mothers aborting children with some form of affliction. These range from downs syndrome to basic forms of deformation. For example, malformed legs arms, etc.
Michelann Michelann 8 years
Geebers, well said. And there is now a federal law against partial-birth abortions.
cine_lover cine_lover 8 years
geebers thank you. You stated what I was trying to say very well. Sorry if I did not come out as clear.
geebers geebers 8 years
oops pop I missed your response- which was WAY more concise than mine.
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