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ally14 ally14 8 years
I love those ads. They always make me happy to see that we have some actual sense in the world. They are not being mean or offensive to religious people. They are just stating their opinon, just how religious people who put up signs about their religion do.
True-Song True-Song 8 years
And Illinois politicians aren't the only ones who are shady. It doesn't mean it's unreasonable to associate shadiness with Illinois politicians.
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 8 years
child molestation, starting wars, and unpleasant things are not attributed to just "religious people" Yes that happens, but to not like them because of those things is ridiculous.
starangel82 starangel82 8 years
I tend to agree there Steph... some really crazy people are often the most brilliant ones.
stephley stephley 8 years
I think it's often a fine line between goof and philosopher.
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
He's sort of a kook, Steph, but he has some interesting theories. Try Fingerprints of the Gods.
stephley stephley 8 years
I will have to look him up Jude...
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
I'm personally a big fan of Graham Hancock's theories about the common origin of diverse creation and messiah myths.
stephley stephley 8 years
Lovelie, I did read Huston Smith about a century ago. I remember being struck by how similar the basic traditions and myths (for lack of a better word) are among many religions: deaths and rebirths, winter as a season for a new king to rise. I think there's something we're trying to get at, but haven't been able to yet. My first thought was that philosophy should be deeply relevant to law, but I guess in every day practice, it gets in the way doesn't it?
lovelie lovelie 8 years
starange- it is definitely worth the time. I understand exactly what you mean about questioning the divine. I really do not care much for philosophy, as it is really irrelevant in my field (law). That being said, I have always preferred disciplines that are based on actuality, rather than speculation like philosophy is. However, I had to take a required class this year related to "consciousness" where we focused a lot of Descartes teachings. At first I was very resistant to the material, but by the end of the semester, I actually began to appreciate how thought provoking philosophy can be if you approach it with an open mind. I think the same goes for religion.
mydiadem mydiadem 8 years
'Although the part about "stop worrying and enjoy life" rubbed me wrong. My faith brings me peace not worry.' Then it doesn't apply to you, lots of advertisements are out there and don't apply to everyone. Look, its naive to think that every person participating in an organized religion (and from my catholic background, this is very true) is doing so because they want to spread love. A whole lot of them are involved because they have been told their whole life that if they don't go to church and follow all the rules they are going to hell. Its these folks that the ad targets.
starangel82 starangel82 8 years
I'll have to read that book lovelie. I've got to say this entire thread has got me thinking about things I haven't thought about in a long time. When I was in college, my roommate and I would get into these great philosophical debates. Now I am just surrounded by people who are so into their routine, they don't question or ponder anything anymore. What is the point of life if we don't questions ourselves or our origins? I've been told many times that it is wrong to question your beliefs or religion, that it is an affront to God. Somehow I doubt that... how can you learn if you don't question? Meh, that's how I feel about it anyway.
liliblu liliblu 8 years
" that it might help some people, and the world in general, to get away from religion-based belief systems that are used to justify things like hatred, bigotry, terrorism, and misogyny,and move closer towards a non-religious ethical code that encourages benevolence and discourages irrational bigotry and hate." I can't speak for all religions, but most are not about hate but love. People can and often have corrupted the message of their faith to advance their own agendas. But this is done even when religion isn't involved. The sign and others like it don't bother me. Although the part about "stop worrying and enjoy life" rubbed me wrong. My faith brings me peace not worry.
lovelie lovelie 8 years
I would consider myself to be agnostic, but I think that if I were to subscribe to any religious beliefs, Buddhism stands out to me. IMO it is the most realistic of any organized religion, in that it places more emphasis on personal fullfillment and a self-guided journey, rather than enlightenment through a "higher god." The only downside, NO DRINKING. I don't think I could give that up. Has anyone ever read THe World Relgions, by Huston Smith? Of all of the literature and texts I've read, it is by far the most unbiased and thorough texts about each of the worlds dominant religions.
kastarte2 kastarte2 8 years
Flying spaghetti monsters frighten me. :oops: I'm not adverse to religious people. I don't agree with them, but I don't want to persecute them. My only gripe with religious people is how many of them seem hell bent (pun intended) on forcing their beliefs on me.
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
I think it's just as naive to believe that just because we haven't yet attained the level of knowledge to understand our origins on earth means that we, and all life, must have been placed here by some higher power. Imagine if the first discoverers of modern medicine decided that because they didn't currently understand how viruses and disease worked, it must all just be the will of God. Seems like there would have been a lot less incentive to discover, say, influenza vaccines and treatments for cancer.
ThePerfectScore ThePerfectScore 8 years
every religion that believes in something more powerful than man is right. I don't believe that a person has to practice a certain religion but I think it's highly naive to think that we are here on our own. Something made everything we see and everything we don't see. It came from somewhere, but since no one can tell me definitely where I just believe that a life should be devoted to kindness, not trying to find the source of life and doing certain rituals to promote this idea.
bluesarahlou bluesarahlou 8 years
"..to get away from religion-based belief systems that are used to justify things like hatred, bigotry, terrorism, and misogyny,and move closer towards a non-religious ethical code that encourages benevolence and discourages irrational bigotry and hate." Beautifully put Jude. I completely agree.
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
And I'm talking about pretty much all religions except Buddhism, not attacking any one particular religion.
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
"I don't see what the benefit in them pushing there is no God??" My two cents on that (pitifully meager compared to the riches that have already been posted) is that it might help some people, and the world in general, to get away from religion-based belief systems that are used to justify things like hatred, bigotry, terrorism, and misogyny,and move closer towards a non-religious ethical code that encourages benevolence and discourages irrational bigotry and hate. But, you know, that's just my two cents.
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
And TS- come one now No an organized religion does not exist without religious people BUT.... A person can be religious without partaking in organized religion. Simple geometrical equation
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
See I asked a question, lil answered it. Thanks Lil!
True-Song True-Song 8 years
>I see why organized religion gets a bad rap, but religious people? Is there some organized religion that's not made up of religious people I don't know about? >I would however love it if you didn't belittle people for wanting to believe in something bigger than this little world/universe. And I would love it if people would stop waxing on about how Christians are persecuted in this country by the big, mean atheists. I think being religious is silly. I don't see how it's different from being superstitious. Would it just make you feel better if I didn't say (type?) it out loud?
lildorothyparker lildorothyparker 8 years
"What I meant is that religious people have a reason to promote their religion... What does it benefit atheists to advertise?" ...and I'm taking this directly from the bus... "Now stop worrying and enjoy your life". Sans fun colours of course. Point being: religious people promote their religion because they have a particular belief system that they feel others should partake in... they believe this belief system will ensure some sort of "good" will be ushered upon believers. Same goes for atheists, except they measure "good" in a different way.
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
I see why organized religion gets a bad rap, but religious people? You have to know the difference. I personally don't want you to believe in anything, I would however love it if you didn't belittle people for wanting to believe in something bigger than this little world/universe.
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