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Briefing Book! Eric Holder Calls Waterboarding Torture

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Michelann Michelann 8 years
Steph, certainly you're allowed to be fascinated. I'll always appreciate being fascinating. But I don't appreciate comments that seem to judge and assume. Like I said, I'm always willing to discuss something with you, but I'm not interested in trading sharp, baseless comments. And by "one", I meant topic, not one particular story.
stephley stephley 8 years
"And the use of torture? I've made a conscious decision to stay out of that one." More than one story came up, but it's not important. I am allowed to be fascinated by what people deem unacceptable while giving other things an argument or a pass. It is my right to be fascinated.
Michelann Michelann 8 years
Oops! No that's not what I meant to say. I'm sure you know how it was supposed to go :). I can't believe I missed an article about wiretapping U.S. citizens. Surely you've seen me complain about the PATRIOT act? As far as the politicization of the Justice department and the firing of federal prosecutors, I guess I was in class when those stories came up. I don't know enough about those subjects to have an opinion on them anyway. And the use of torture? I've made a conscious decision to stay out of that one.
stephley stephley 8 years
"a single action of Bush's attorney generals that came up for discussion." The politicization of the Justice Department, the firing of federal prosecutors, the use of torture, the wiretapping of U.S. citizens... "So yes, I feel it's unacceptable for our Attorney General to believe the right to bear arms is an individual right." Is that what you meant to say?
Michelann Michelann 8 years
Steph, I'm not trying to be 'combative', I just want an example of a single action of Bush's attorney generals that came up for discussion. Honestly, I can't comment on every single story on Citizen and sometimes I stay out of things because a) I don't have anything to add that hasn't already been said, or b) I don't have a strongly developed opinion on the matter. I just don't want you to assume you know what my opinion is simply because I don't leave a comment. So yes, I feel it's unacceptable for our Attorney General to believe the right to bear arms is an individual right. But there are many, many other things that I can't stomach. If you want to know my opinion about something, I'd be more than happy to discuss anything with you.
stephley stephley 8 years
The actions by the Bush Justice Department that came up for discussion here on Citizen. You've never been a serious critic here of Bush's attorney generals. There's no law that says you have to be, so there's no need to get defensive or combative.
Michelann Michelann 8 years
Steph, which actions are those?
stephley stephley 8 years
Mich, it's not about what you've supported, it's about what actions you never found unacceptable.
True-Song True-Song 8 years
I was so happy to hear him say water boarding is torture and that the President can't say otherwise. Things keep happening where I'm like...wait...I'm happy about this? Such a weird feeling.
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
I posted on the other site, I work at a hospital and process birth certificates and ssn requests. I have seen lil' big boi, clorox, and my favorite aryan princess of california. Oh and twins named hennessy and alize (you know the alcohols)
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
I always heard it pronounced Shith-eed for sh!thead. Worst names I've ever seen are some my sister had in her CCMS days, Uh-huh, uh-uh and mmm-hmm. Now those are bad. She also had seven that were named after the seven deadly sins. The woman actually had the last two just so she could finish them out. All before she was 25 too.
Michelann Michelann 8 years
"Sorry, basing it on past comments - literary winces as it were." Just out of curiosity, what actions by the current Dept. of Justice are you referring to that I supported in past comments?
Michelann Michelann 8 years
Zeze, thank you! I appreciate that. I actually have difficulty picking a label for my politics too. There are problems with every party and philosophy. I guess the closest thing is libertarianism.
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 8 years
Pop, all those names you just gave us, never existed. disproved it. And i believe they never existed either. because why? here, in my office, i have heard the "a nurse i know, who knows someone who knew someone said that they had a kid named (exactly the names you said) at the hospital" its an urban legend. anyway, I dont think that kid should be taken away because of a name, he should be taken away only if his parents were abusing him mentally physically or emotionally or withholding basic needs.
popgoestheworld popgoestheworld 8 years
Yes I agree with you that it's not quite the same. But I still think that more is needed to remove the child from that home. Freedom comes with lots of shitty decisions.
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
It doesn't matter. If the parents aren't starving or beating or molesting or otherwise causing harm to their child, then the state has no right to take the child away just because we find the parents' thinking to be objectionable.
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
Can we agree that those stupid names aren't names of one of the most evil people on the earth? There's a difference.
stephley stephley 8 years
The name isn't destiny, UD. The kid could easily come up with a nickname they prefer and most kids and grownups would go along. As an adult, the kid could change the name. People have been overcoming nitwit parents since the beginning of time.
popgoestheworld popgoestheworld 8 years
And don't get me wrong, I feel super sorry for that kid. But I feel really sorry for kids of morbidly obese parents who are already overweight at age 3. It's cruel and unusual to give your kid no shot at a healthy childhood. Unfortunately we don't get to pick who has kids and I wouldn't want to live in a society where that is the case. I do however think that IUD devices should be offered for free to a lot of people for a lot of reasons.
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
It could be argued that naming one's child Pilot Inspektor is also cruel and unusual and would make the child mocked and an outcast, but you don't see the state beating down Jason Lee's door to take his kid away from him.
popgoestheworld popgoestheworld 8 years
There are so many kids that I'd like to take away from their parents based on what they named their kids! Anyone read Freakonomics? How about Shithead (pronounced, SheeTAYed), or lemonjello and orangejello (leMONgelo and oRONgelo)? Or how about the recent case of parent who named their kid LeWayne (pronounced LeTWayne with a silent T)?! There are so many terrible parents it's impossible to keep track. Let's just start removing all of their kids and put them into our super-awesome child protective services system.
stephley stephley 8 years
I hope that the state has more to go on than the names...
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
Naming your kid AH will make him an outcast, except in neonazi circles, where he will be a minor joke. IMO, this is a form of cruel and unusual punishment on the child.
starangel82 starangel82 8 years
I saw a story on these people a while back. They said they named their kid Adolf Hitler because it was unique and no one else would have that name. They said it was nothing related to Hitler and what he stood for. Just like they named their daughter JoyceLynn Aryan Nation. Granted naming your kid Adolf Hitler isn't a smart move, but I don't think the state should take kids away for bad naming. I mean there are some pretty bad names out there. Especially when you combine them with their last names. If there is a case of true neglect here, then the state had every right. Just for the name? I don't think so. The kid can change his name later if he wants... and make his parents pay for therapy later in life.
clarabelle98 clarabelle98 8 years
All I was saying was that we don't know what other behaviors created the issue that caused the kids to be removed from the home. We do NOT have all the answers. While I know I said in that first line of my comment they SHOULD be removed, as I thought about it, my answer is I just don't KNOW. None of us do. we aren't privy to the reasons behind this other than what we've been told and we ALL know that we never get 100% of the story.
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