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Jessiebanana Jessiebanana 8 years
Thank you TS :notworthy:.
True-Song True-Song 8 years
Wait, I've never been "attacked," I've never "attacked" or I've never accused someone of "attacking"? To the first, I've definitely been on the receiving end of rude and disparaging comments. To the second, I'm sure I have also said unkind things. The third, yes. I don't think I've ever gotten all huffy and claimed I was being attacked. As for suggested alternatives, I just propose something more accurate. Use your words! Instead of "Stop attacking me," perhaps "that was an unkind thing to say," or "you keep criticizing my position" or "that was a very mean thing to say." Or maybe "people need to grow some thick skin and deal." Then again, you might not get so many "attacks" if your comments focused less on being critical and perhaps sometimes put something positive out into the world.
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 8 years
True, You might think "attack" is way over used because its never you that its directed at. what word would you like us to use that would be up to your approval?
nyaradzom2001 nyaradzom2001 8 years
lol true song that was probably the best post on this site ever ever ever!!! especially the last bit.
True-Song True-Song 8 years
I mean, "would any of you object to a child holding up a sign that advocated NOT allowing interracial marriage? If so, then shut up." Or, if not then shut up? You know what I mean!!
True-Song True-Song 8 years
And by thread I mean blog.
True-Song True-Song 8 years
>This is an adult issue and it should stay that way. Um, if the government were FORCING my parents to divorce, I think it would affect me as a child. >When was the last time the GOP used kids? I don't know if it was the GOP, but do we all recall the child holding up an anti-Prop 8 sign that was posted on this thread? >(shivers) That song makes me want to plug my ears with hot lead. I say go for it! >If someone told me my marriage wouldnt be valid Just curious, how would you feel if the majority voted that your marriage was invalid if there was any kinf on infidelity in the relationship? >But involving children, just to pull at people's heart strings is Shameless Um, didn't you just post pictures of aborted fetuses? Yo, kettle, the pot called. Said to tell you you're shameless. >"our neighbors voted and dont want daddy and daddy to be married so we are sad and upset" Seems like a perfectly good thing to say to a kid. >i am not attacking anyone steph. at all so please stop with the attacking of me today. As I always say, "attack" is a way, way, way overused word on this site. >Why does abortion keep getting brought up on every topic? SERIOUSLY >In the Jim Crow era the law was against blacks and they couldn't stop being black now could they? Amen, in a non-secular atheist kind of way >If the child's life will be identical to how it was before the marriage, then where is the harm? Just curious, if the government invalidated your marriage, would you be fine with that? If the majority voted that ONLY homosexual marriages were vaild and that hetero couples could live together and have civil unions, would you be a-ok? > We didn't seem to have dedication and call to arms when we broke up the families on the polygamist compounds and those kids actually WERE effected. I have NO problem with polygamy as long as everyone involved in a consenting adult >And there is a difference in telling you kids 1 thing and using them as a ploy in your propaganda videos a la Hitler. As long as I'm not advocatin the mass-murder of, well, anyone! I'm pretty sure the Hitler references do not apply. And in general, would any of you object to a child holding up a sign that advocated allowing interracial marriage? If so, then shut up.
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
" So if your holy book states that homosexuality is abomination, we should make our rules and laws based on that? You have a separation of church and state? If you don't follow that...then you could just as well let muslims decide for you all that nobody eats pork. In Finland we have civil unions for gay-couples. There is a lot of discussion, if they could have blessing-ceremonies in church also. I'm not religious, so I feel I don't have a say on that. " I have come out and said I didn't want these couples to be forced to divorce and voted no on 8... So not sure why you want to debate me on this :? And we also have gay civil unions in California. So Again, not sure why we are debating this. I just don't them using kids as a prop. :shrug:
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
I guess its a good thing i don't eat pork or shellfish
KadBunny KadBunny 8 years
I love religion.
Jessiebanana Jessiebanana 8 years
Also as far a child exploitation goes, they simply sent in a photo and in some of the photos the kids held up a sign. The kids aren't protesting at 5am or missing school to film commercials. This big hoopla you guys are all making is trivial and the reality is that kids are involved and are affected whether anyone likes it or not.
stephley stephley 8 years
That makes no sense.
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
Just like saying they could get and are married without a valid reason?
stephley stephley 8 years
Know what? Even if it only was that they can't say they are married any more, that's too much change for no valid reason.
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
But how has anything changed? Before they were able to get married, they had the child, then they were allowed to marry, and they still have the child, then prop 8 states that their marriage is invalid, and the family unit is still the same. Yes, it's a shame that they can't say they are married anymore (If the ruling truly invalidates the marriage), but it nothing has changed from what, a year ago?
Jessiebanana Jessiebanana 8 years
Oops I meant: huge deal. Also symbolically, for a lot of people including myself, marriage is integral to "creating a family". The idea of a unit of people being bonded permanently is something I don't think should be hard to understand. Yes, you can be a family without it, but it doesn't make it any less important to you.
Jessiebanana Jessiebanana 8 years
"2) Assuming that they are forced to divorce, how does that change the relationship, especially with the child? Leave the children out of this." It's a huge for couples with kids (especially with gay couples when paternity only involves one parent), because there are so many legal parental rights that are easier to obtain when you are married, such as second parent adoption and health insurance. And if a child is ever in the situation where one parent is fighting with the deceased spouses family that would compromise the stability and well being of the child.
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
I have no problem making every coupling a civil union, and then having a special designation for church marriages, that is separate. Since marriages are recognized by the church, I have a problem calling a homosexual coupling a marriage.
Leene Leene 8 years
So if your holy book states that homosexuality is abomination, we should make our rules and laws based on that? You have a separation of church and state? If you don't follow that...then you could just as well let muslims decide for you all that nobody eats pork. In Finland we have civil unions for gay-couples. There is a lot of discussion, if they could have blessing-ceremonies in church also. I'm not religious, so I feel I don't have a say on that.
Mädchen Mädchen 8 years
"Yes Leene, it states homosexuality is an abomination in the Bible." The Bible also states that eating pork and shellfish is an abomination. I truly believe that Jesus would have disagreed with Leviticus on all three, just like he disagreed with many of the other rules mentioned in the Old Testament.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
That video made me bawl. I know so many people that have created wonderful, loving, nurtured families and relationships, and it boggles my mind how anyone could justify denying them the rights that come with marriage. I see in their faces the love that I feel in my own relationship, and it really is so unjust that I have so many more rights simply because the person I love is a man.
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
Yes Leene, it states homosexuality is an abomination in the Bible. Actually my kids don't know about homosexual relationships yet. my oldest is 6. But I don't want someone telling her that it is right, when my church believes it is not. And if she ends up being gay, i will love her no less.
Leene Leene 8 years
Hainan, your children think that homosexuality is immoral? I take that your kids are rather young? I really hope they don't turn up to be homosexual. If I was raised to believe my natural instincts were immoral, I think I would find life really cruel. If your child turns up to be homosexual and decides to lead his/her life in that manner - I hope they feel you still love them. To me love means respect and acceptance. I don't want to be disrespectful, but I don't like the way you raised your kid on your "moral-team". When I was a kid, I knew there are all kinds of people and good people loved each other, bad people wanted bad things for others. The only difference between gay and straight relationships is what people do in bedroom. I didn't know about sex as a kid, so to me there was no difference. Now as an adult, I still don't think what other people do in their bedroom. It's none of my business. If I would be given the right to vote on these matters, I would cast my vote based on human rights. If I would want to lead my life in christian manner, I would want to have right to do that, but I would not force others to live same way as me. Leene, Finland.
momma-tikita momma-tikita 8 years
Someone said it before..this is a topic that just isn't going to end! So be it! Goodnight and have a great weekend ladies! Im going to take a bubble bath! :spa:
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
fair enough, agree to disagree
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