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Briefing Book! How Will Bush Be Remembered in History?

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Frank-y-Ava Frank-y-Ava 8 years
Where did I say that was all Bush's fault. Slow down. I just think it's wat he will be remembered for.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
Yes, those are all single handedly Bush's fault.
Frank-y-Ava Frank-y-Ava 8 years
I obviously missed everything.
Frank-y-Ava Frank-y-Ava 8 years
Hurricane Katrina Iraq War/9-11 Economic collapse
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
I mentioned those papers steph because they are my local papers... they were examples. And the 3 largest "local" publications in CA. Meaning they have the most subscriptions and reach the most people. Meaning they have the most power to influence people. A lot of those people wrongly assume that these are unbiased newspapers. And the only reason AM talk radio continues to exist with such largest "listenership" is because people have to go there to hear the other side of the argument since they are bombarded with the left leaning news.
kastarte2 kastarte2 8 years
I hear Conservative talk radio when I am flipping through FM stations. 95.1 does conservative talk all day long.
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
Har, har :)
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
There's an AM radio? I've never heard of that.
stephley stephley 8 years
Disney is not liberal, GE is definitely not liberal - the facts simply do not support the premise.
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
Dave, all the radio shows I was thinking of are actually on regular old AM radio :)
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
Jude - The only argument I would make against that is that those are cable or XM radio shows, and not everyone gets those. Liberals own the Mass media outlets, like the big 3 TV stations, and many newspapers (especially the mega dailies). I do agree that the cable shows are gaining in reach, and will soon equal any one of the big 3.
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
Considering the healthy listenership (is that a word? No. F it) of right-wing talk radio programs, the generally healthy ratings of Fox commentators' shows, the existence of Rupert Murdoch, and the availability and ease of online publishing tools available to any average Joe with something to say, I think it's high time for this "liberals own the media" thing to be put to rest.
stephley stephley 8 years
Apparently, if you're not neo-con, you're liberal - another unilateral redefinition by the right.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
"Your local newspapers... such as la times, sf times, fresno bee etc.... all liberal." You realize you only listed examples from California, and that most people who live in the other 49 states would not consider these publications "local". There are plenty of publications that are moderate...the past 8 years has had plenty of bad news for the right, though. I think that even an unbiased source should be able to point out the misteps of the administration, but apparently that is equated to "bias" by some.
kastarte2 kastarte2 8 years
It is pretty arrogant to assume that anybody who thinks Fox News is a conservative leaning station is just catching clips on the internet or daily show. The reporting of the news and the people delivering it are not center. I watch Fox news for a little bit every day (on my television, not the internet and not on the Daily show, but on Fox hews channel itself) and it is indeed a right leaning station. Just like MSNBC is a left leaning station.
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
I think Haus is talking about the main stream media.... Red State and Malkin I wouldn't consider main stream media. I am talking about the websites and television that people are normally supposed to trust as non-partisan. Your local newspapers... such as la times, sf times, fresno bee etc.... all liberal. I can name many more. Of the major broadcast news station... cnn msnbc fox news abc cbs. How many are lib/conserve? And fox news, while they do have some commentators that are very conservative, the actual reporting of the news is so center it's incomparable. The fact that everyone on here rants about it that much, tell me they never watch it. Except for the excerpts on sites like huff po or on comedy central. They are constantly getting a bad rap on the internet. Drives me crazy, anywho---- I wouldn't say Haus was playing a victim at all. I think if anyone is a victim the media is making the entire us population victims because they are trusting what they hear in the media and the media is pushing their agenda. They shouldn't do that to the American people. The people can make up their own mind regarding a candidate without media broadcasters(not commentators) talking about how they get a tingle up their leg when they hear about Obama.
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
"Well, Clinton *was* totally responsible for 9/11. Get your facts straight, kas." I wouldn't say he was "totally" responsible, but he had an opportunity fo do something about it, and didn't act. To me, therein lies his blame.
em1282 em1282 8 years
...and when I say 'anyone here' I mean in general, as in Dems vs Repubs, etc.
em1282 em1282 8 years
"If the left "owns hate" can some one please explain to me the emotion that the right has displayed to the Clintons over the past 16 years? What would you call that? Disdain? Intense loathing? Abhorrence? Revulsion? Disgust?" Well, Clinton *was* totally responsible for 9/11. Get your facts straight, kas. How do liberals own hate? How does anyone own it? I try my hardest to be open minded and see things from all sides, and I don't think anyone's innocent here in the 'saying bad things about other parties' contest. Hmmm...
kastarte2 kastarte2 8 years
If the left "owns hate" can some one please explain to me the emotion that the right has displayed to the Clintons over the past 16 years? What would you call that? Disdain? Intense loathing? Abhorrence? Revulsion? Disgust? No side can claim to be completely innocent in disliking players from the other side. Heck, the right has found ways to blame Clinton for almost all of Bush's mistakes. Think they will let the blame for Obama's fall on Bush? Not likely.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
"Bush will be remembered as Cheney's and Rumsfield puppet." This I kind of agree with. I feel that he handled very important things poorly...but ultimately, the REALLY bad things were done by his administration. The Valerie Plame leak, playing politics with the Justice Department, false case for war, FEMA and Katrina etc., weren't done so much by him as his people...but at the end of the day it is people he appointed (including "heckofajob Brownie"). Either he was so weak that he could not control his staff, or he was the catalyst that encouraged all of this mind blowingly unConstitutional behavior. Neither option is flattering.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
In case there is a conservative out there who wants to see examples of these platforms, here is a list of the "Best Conservative Blogs on the Internet". It has over 100 sites to vent away with. www.urbanconservative.com/2007/02/13/best-conservative-blogs-on-the-internet/ If you prefer a traditional magazine, you could always pick up National Review or the Weekly Standard too (among many others, of course).
liliblu liliblu 8 years
The left "owns" hate. :rotfl: Thanks Haus, I needed a laugh.
stephley stephley 8 years
If you say something inflammatory, you should expect some heat.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
:mob: Get your pitchforks and torches! :mob: Run Haus!
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