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Briefing Book! Obama Goes Back on First Campaign Promise?

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NouraBee NouraBee 8 years
i luv him 3>
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
Still a friendly place around here, I see.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
And another: "People will nitpick no matter what, I'm fine with letting them live in their sick, sad little world." Because they think differently than me their world is sick, sad and little. Nice.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
"I guess if all you have to celebrate is little "victories" like this rumor, enjoy." Why does someone talking about the candidate you support have to turn into a personal attack? No one even thought of Jill when posting.
Imabeliever Imabeliever 8 years
First of all, he isn't President yet.. and second, the price of oil has dropped below "windfall" ranges of profit. Now..if when he take office if it is over $80.00 a barrel and climbing again...then look to see them jump to put it into place. Right now there are bigger fish to fry.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
"we can't make note that it appears he is breaking a campaign promise before taking office?" 1.) His administration has not cofirmed that he is changing this policy idea. 2.) He does not have the ability to enact or not enact this policy at this time. So yes, critiquing him for something he doesn't even have the ability to do is premature.
organicsugr organicsugr 8 years
I think exalting a man for his race is a dangerous proposition.
stephley stephley 8 years
He did win election as the first black president of the U.S., so there's nothing wrong with honoring THAT achievement. To rate his policies or performance as president before his inauguration is premature. Nothing complicated about it at all.
skb9850 skb9850 8 years
It's OK to name schools and holidays after him even though he hasn't taken office yet, but we can't make note that it appears he is breaking a campaign promise before taking office? :scratch:
beavis667 beavis667 8 years
If he were to break that campaign promise, he'll gain a little of my support. Windfall taxes are a stupid idea. Profit margins in the petroleum industry are rougly 9-10%. Blockbuster movies will have profit margins much much higher. Maybe they Columbia Studios should be taxed because Spiderman 3 did better than the oil companies as a percentage.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
I agree with a lot of the things you said, Pop! :)
Jillness Jillness 8 years
"it's one thing to discuss something which has already happened and is concrete, and speculating about something which was only vaguely brought up by an aide and is not at all a concrete happening." Exactly. He does have the power now to appoint and remove ambassadors, which is something that is concrete. His policy for oil hasn't even been presented yet, and people are acting as if has been enacted already. And as I mentioned earlier, the article you posted does not provide support for their assumption. The aide only said that the price of oil has dropped. The aide NEVER said that Obama is throwing away the windfall profits tax idea or keeping it. IMO, the articles from Huffington and Houston Chronicle both jump to conclusions with out anything concrete to back it up. Beware of misleading headlines, folks.
indielove indielove 8 years
"The headline on 23/6 clearly says 'political comedy' " Why don't more people know this? "I'm happy that he's willing to change his plans according to how conditions are now, not how they were during the campaign. Taking something off the table up front doesn't mean it will never happen. He's prioritizing and adjusting to the situation at hand." I completely agree. People will nitpick no matter what, I'm fine with letting them live in their sick, sad little world.
janneth janneth 8 years
Premature abdication, good one.
popgoestheworld popgoestheworld 8 years
Perhaps supporters aren't being evenhanded, but it seems obvious that there is a difference between this situation and the ambassador situation. For starters, during the transition, it's Obama's job to make personnel changes. We couldn't possibly use the argument of "But he's not even president" because this is precisely what he's supposed to be doing. However, it's pretty hard to break a campaign promise before you even serve part of your term, just by definition. You can't actually make that claim unless he gets 4 years without taxing them right? I mean, it could be off the table for 3 years, and then if the economy improves and oil goes up, he could tax them. I don't believe he said he was going to enact this on Day 1, did he? In any case, I don't care if he does break this promise or not. Obama is faulty, he'll go back on promises, and make mistakes. But comparing this to the ambassador post is just a logical fallacy, imo.
kranky kranky 8 years
Jude- Glad to know we are on agreement! See, I can say nice things about Obama - I think he made a very wise decision in this case. Night and thanks for reading...
kranky kranky 8 years
Oh, sorry. The media is not giving much play to the fact that Bush has told his people to give Obama complete access to all information he desires and to work hard at making his transition smooth. On that note, I have to sign off. Night everyone-
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
Based on the Houston Chronicle article you cited, Kranky, if this decision really has been made, then it would have been made based on a reevaluation of a changed situation. So in that case, if it has been decided and is a concrete thing, then it's fine with me.
kranky kranky 8 years
steph- No one is attacking Obama here. I am simply pointing out that his supporters are not being evenhanded. And yes - a lot of people said that Obama's ambassador decision made sense BECAUSE they support his views of foriegn policy - which are vastly different than Bush's. And actually, I am quite happy with Obama for shelving the windfall tax. Gives me hope. :)
organicsugr organicsugr 8 years
Ron Paul was saying that the U.S. was teetering on the edge of depression in August.
kranky kranky 8 years
Jude- Fair enough. I still contend that 1. Bush isn't twiddling his thumbs, just because the media isn't covering him doesn't mean he isn't doing anything, and 2. would you prefer him flying all over the place trying to hammer out a few more things to add to his legacy a la Clinton or working to ease Obama's transition? We may have the agree to disagree, but my understanding is that Obama has made a fairly concrete decision in terms of the windfall tax. Here's my source so that you know what I am working from: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/6143060.html I honestly can't remember much about the other thread either, something about AIDS funding and abstinence-only... but it was another policy discussion. It was not as concrete as the ambassador thing. Look, I completely understand that Obama supporters are stoked about his Presidency and are happy when it seems like he is following through on his campaign promises. I just don't think it's fairplay to delineate between Presidential and non-Presidential acts to attack other posters for voicing an opinion about something on the boards.
stephley stephley 8 years
Re-checking the ambassador thread shows a lot of people saying this idea makes sense not 'yea he's president he can do what he wants.' Obama can't break a promise that he isn't yet in a position to fulfill. I don't know any Obama supporters who take the intense 'all or nothing' position that people who don't like him claim we do. In August, no one was saying that the U.S. teeters on the edge of a depression, so realistically, his plans have to be altered to suit the situation. I'm sure you'll still be unhappy with him though. "I may be completely off base, but the media does not tend to cover Bush when he is behaving well." Anything specific go under reported?
organicsugr organicsugr 8 years
It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to realize that oil companies need all of those horrible profits to sustain business in less profitable times.
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
It seemed like a premature abdication to me, Kranky--making the transition easier isn't the same thing as falling off the radar as if already out of office. As far as the difference between this and the ambassador thing, my understanding is that it's one thing to discuss something which has already happened and is concrete, and speculating about something which was only vaguely brought up by an aide and is not at all a concrete happening. I don't think I saw the other thread you mentioned (could be wrong, though--I have the memory of a gnat), but it sounds like that was another instance of something more concrete than these current vague speculations.
kranky kranky 8 years
Jude- The reason we don't hear about Bush is that he has gone on record stating he will do whatever it takes to make the transition easy for Obama. All Bush's actions from that point have been in complete agreement. I may be completely off base, but the media does not tend to cover Bush when he is behaving well.
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