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Catholic Hospitals Say They Must Close If Abortion Bill Passes

Hoping to end the abortion debate once and for all, many pro-choice lawmakers support the Freedom of Choice Act, a law which would codify Roe v. Wade and set a national standard for abortion rights. Barack Obama's statements that he wants to sign the act into law, has put pro-life advocates on the defensive. Specifically, leaders in the Catholic Church are warning that the law would force Catholic hospitals to close since they do not provide abortions. This would be a major problem, since about one-third of all US hospitals are Catholic.

In its current form, FOCA would cancel out existing laws that limit abortion (up to the point of fetal viability), including parental notification rules. Catholic hospitals fear that conscience laws, which allow federally funded hospitals to deny abortions based on religious grounds, would also be tossed.

While it's still uncertain whether FOCA will overturn conscience protections, and whether it will even be passed for that matter, do you think there should be an exception made for Catholic hospitals?


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alichrsha alichrsha 8 years I was searching online for Psalms 106 : 37 -42 and found this Catholic website about fetal development..and biblical basis for their beliefs on the lower half of the page. That particular scripture has to do with child sacrifice which I believe abortion is the modern day version of that.
alichrsha alichrsha 8 years
Thr F.O.C.A. bill is unconstitutional. If a doctor is morally opposed to abortion,because it is the killing of an innocent human.. They shouldn't be forced to do so. That is communism,fascism..anything but democracy! Catholic hospitals will close because some people fear God more than man, and realize they will have to face their creator someday. The F.O.C.A. bill will also ensure that All taxpayers will pay for abortions ,even if they don't believe in it. Can one force an atheist to go to church? President Obama will also have to face the Lord of hosts and answer for his immoral and unethical decisions,when one opens up the laws of the land to be able to legally shed innocent blood.May God have have mercy on us.
KJerabek KJerabek 8 years
There is nothing pro choice about this freedom of choice act. Disgusting.
stephley stephley 8 years
Yes, in real life, average Catholics and Jews get along very well. There are times though, that their leading members behave like political rivals.
janneth janneth 8 years
I think the average Catholic and Jew get along very very well. In real life.
Symphonee Symphonee 8 years
I live in Maryland and we have enough Catholic Hospitals around. If you want an abortion you know you better not step foot in Mercy. If you want your tubes tied don't go to St.Agnes. I have a problem with these hospitals not receiving funding because of their religious choice. I believe that it should be a state not Federal matter about the issue of legalized abortion. I do not believe tht this should be regulated by Federal law. The only issue I have with MD's version of this law is that it clearly does not define a religious employer. As far as the Catholic church believeing that it would have to close all of its hospitals, I say that this is a bit overexagerrated. Every single hospital would not have close and with a look towards streamlining these hospitals I believe that many could stay open.
kranky kranky 8 years
Steph- I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I have already written that the Church is not wholeheartedly accepting the bishops and their anti-Semitic ways.
stephley stephley 8 years
Anti-semitic remarks by priests that go unpunished, beatification of anti-semitic Church leaders, reinstating this bishop... I won't go beyond that because this isn't a thread about the Catholic Church and anti-semitism. You can google articles on the subject if you're actually interested - there are many valid discussions. The Church is forever doing a one step up, two back dance on Judaism.
kranky kranky 8 years
"...within the Church hierarchy there still are serious issues between words and actions in terms of anti-Semitism." Could you provide examples?
stephley stephley 8 years
I didn't say it did; I did say that within the Church hierarchy, there still are serious issues between words and actions in terms of anti-Semitism.
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 8 years
Luv, they do try to stop that from happening, and in that vein than why dont prochoice people stop 3rd trimester abortions from happening? its a small percentage right? just like pedophile priests are. at least i hope so on both points.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
In this case if I were President I would draw the exception because in most cases there would be a clinic or other hospital near by the that would provid that service. In the few cases that there is not private & government clinics together would move to fill that void.
kranky kranky 8 years
Steph- Do you have proof that the Catholic Church supports the position that the Holocaust didn't happen (not that it is the point of this thread, but still...)? I have never heard anything to the contrary other than speculation and conspiracy theories. The Church has been very vocal about the issue since WWII. European Catholics - under the direction of the Pope - harbored Jews from the Nazis during WWII. There were a number of villages in Italy that were completely decimated by the Nazis because of this.
stephley stephley 8 years
Personally, I wouldn't use the word 'decidedly' until actions and words sync up better.
LuvLeoDiCaprio LuvLeoDiCaprio 8 years
Uhh I don't even know how to comment, I say government, religions out of my Va****. I am pro choice all the way. The Catholic church needs to put this amount of effort in stoping pedophillic priests that damage young boys for the rest of their lives. Now that is disgusting and appaling.
clarabelle98 clarabelle98 8 years
Okay, I'm worried now. First the school that expelled children because they were gay. Now the government wants to tell a religious institution that they have to break one of the most heinous 10 commandments (Thou shalt not kill) because it's "law"? Something is rotten in Denmark...
kranky kranky 8 years
Steph- Right - the Church is decidely NOT supporting anti-Semetic ideology, though people continue to say that it is.
stephley stephley 8 years
Hmmm... From today's Calgary Herald: "Pope Benedict XVI on Wednesday expressed "solidarity" with Jews and condemned Holocaust denial after lifting the excommunication of a bishop who claims the Nazis did not use gas chambers. The German Pope, 81, said he was in "full and indisputable solidarity" with Jews. "The Shoah should be a warning for all against forgetting, denial and reductionism," he said, but did not explicitly mention Richard Williamson, a Holocaust denier who was among four breakaway bishops brought back into the fold of the Roman Catholic Church by Benedict on Saturday--a decision that was widely condemned by Jewish leaders and organizations, as well as Catholics. Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Vatican secretary of state, said Wednesday the pope was "troubled" by Williamson's interview in which he dismissed as "lies" the fact that some six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust, most in the gas chambers of Nazi concentration camps, and claimed only be-tween 200,000 and 300,000 Jews died in the Second World War."
kranky kranky 8 years
First - the Church is NOT harboring anti-semites who believe that the Holocaust was a hoax. One of the stipulations of accepting these bishops back into the fold is that they adhere to ALL Church teachings and beliefs - one being that the Holocaust DID happen and was a horrible thing. If these bishops do not recant their ideas, then they will not be ordained in the Catholic Church. The misrepresentation of this story in the media is truly astounding. Second - as Hainan pointed out - if Catholic hospitals decide not to accept Federal funding then they won't treat Medicare and Medicaid patients. Does anyone think that's a good idea?
stephley stephley 8 years
"I just don't understand this at all, maybe we should start going to local hospitals to perform the death penalty. We will tell them that since it isn't against the law, they have to perform the procedure. Let's see how that one goes over with all of you." This would be an excellent way to get the issue the attention it deserves Hainan!
stephley stephley 8 years
From the National Catholic Reporter, in November, 2008: "Here’s the reality: FOCA has as much chance of passage as the 0-10 Detroit Lions have of winning the next Super Bowl. It’s a matter of basic civics. The legislation, which never got a hearing in the last Congress, would be subject to hearings in both the Senate and House, and then have to be approved by the House Judiciary Committee, the full House, the Senate Judiciary Committee and the full Senate (with a 60-vote margin to overcome the inevitable filibuster). And then the respective versions would have to be reconciled in a conference committee and sent back to both chambers for final passage. The notion that a bill this controversial could jump each of these hurdles is fanciful. Basic rule of legislation: It’s much easier to stop something then to pass it. Further, the House already has a strong coalition of both Republicans and Democrats who either oppose abortion rights or do not want to see them expanded. And even if the bill were to make it to the Senate floor (which it won’t), it’s hardly a 60-vote lock. First rule of lawmaking: Know how to count. The pro-FOCA forces simply don’t have the votes. But didn’t Barack Obama pledge during the campaign that FOCA’s passage would be his top priority? And doesn’t that change the legislative calculus? Indeed, in July 2007 candidate Obama pandered to the pro-choice lobby. In response to a question from the Planned Parenthood audience he declared that to protect abortion rights “the first thing I’d do as president” is sign FOCA. But that doesn’t change the fact -- back to Civics 101 -- that President Obama won’t have the opportunity to sign FOCA. Still, Obama’s victory does change the equation: It actually makes it less likely that FOCA will receive genuine congressional consideration. If John McCain had won, FOCA would have been a much livelier issue because the Arizona senator was perceived as a threat to Roe. “With Roe v. Wade [in place] there is no practical need for the legislation, there is no crisis,” a Senate aide intimately familiar with the bill told me last week. “And Roe v. Wade is going nowhere soon,” he said."
chatondeneige chatondeneige 8 years
Manoukia - The pope is infallible? HA! You clearly don't know about the Catholic Church. He's infallible with regards to dogma, not anything old thing he says or does. He isn't perfect, he's human. Further, the Catholic Church encouraged bishops and priests to create baptism certificates for Jews so the Jews could escape persecution. Think before you type. As for this issue, I think the idea that someone would be legally obligated to perform anything they're morally opposed to is despicable. As for the morning after pill, that's as easy to get as candy, so why force *one* particular type of establishment to sell it?
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
I just don't understand this at all, maybe we should start going to local hospitals to perform the death penalty. We will tell them that since it isn't against the law, they have to perform the procedure. Let's see how that one goes over with all of you.
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
Jude- that would entail not seeing any medicare or medicaid patients
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
I don't think there should be an exception made. No hospital will be forced to provide abortions, emergency contraception, or what-have-you; they just won't receive federal funding. Play by your own rules if you want, but do it with your own money.
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