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Check This: Two Can Play the Outrageous Pastor Game

Frank Rich of the New York Times wrote a great piece about the other pastor with outrageous YouTube clips. John McCain sought out and received the endorsement of the Reverend John Hagee, the pastor of a Texas megachurch. Some of Hagee's most controversial statements include calling for a "holy war" against Iran, referring to the Roman Catholic Church as the "Great Whore" and saying that God punished New Orleans with Hurricane Katrina because the city was holding a gay pride parade that Monday. Rich says that race, and inconsistent treatment of the political parties, explain why these clips haven't been rebroadcasted in the mainstream media.

There is not just a double standard for black and white politicians at play in too much of the news media and political establishment, but there is also a glaring double standard for our political parties. The Clintons and Mr. Obama are always held accountable for their racial stands, as they should be, but the elephant in the room of our politics is rarely acknowledged: In the 21st century, the so-called party of Lincoln does not have a single African-American among its collective 247 senators and representatives in Washington.

Rich says that if we are going to judge black candidates based on their most controversial associates, we must judge white politicians by the same yardstick.

Both Rev. Hagee and Rev. Wright's comments offend me; however, neither of them is running for president. To some extent, the American people deserve to know what company their potential leader keeps. I'm just not sure it should be the focus of the campaign. How much should it matter to voters that Obama's pastor made inflammatory statements, or that John McCain offered some legitimacy to Hagee's positions by seeking out his endorsement?

Do you agree with Frank Rich? Will Democratic groups start circling the Hagee YouTube on television ads? Are they naive not to, since Republican groups are already buying ad time to play the Wright comments? Is there a high road?

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harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 9 years
:ROTFL: Wondercrats ho! Yeah...we should probably work on that. :P
Jillness Jillness 9 years
Oh, I love Mojitos too! At Celadon at 3rd and Fairfax they have one that is made with Thai Basil and lemon grass (not traditional, of course), but it is soooooooo goooood! Very refreshing! For the slogan, what about: Wondercrats, Unite! :ROTFL: Ok, maybe I need to work on that a bit!
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 9 years
The conservatives won't know what hit em'! Hmmmm...a slogan. I'll start thinking!
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 9 years
I'm a mojito man myself. If anyone live in or around L.A. stop in at Ciudad down town across the street from the Westin Bonoventure. The worlds best mojitos.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 9 years
Margarita! Where!
Jillness Jillness 9 years
Ahhhh, margeritas!!! Love em! Thanks Harmony! :) We will be quite the powerhouse when we unite! We should get a slogan. ;) Looks like we will have a month to come up with it!
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 9 years
I want a margarita!!! AND lots of fried cheese!! Happy Cinco de Mayo everyone. This one's for you Jill :cocktail: I know that we disagree a lot, but I do truly respect your opinions and efforts to produce the facts. We'll be on the same side soon enough. :)
hausfrau hausfrau 9 years
Nica its Cinco De Mayo... you are basically required by law to have a margarita today!! :) Drink up!
Jillness Jillness 9 years
I think it would be far more productive to nit pick Obama on his policy and stances on issues. The degree to which he shared Wright's views or not will no doubt be present in his actions and policy ideas.
nicachica nicachica 9 years
ugh...all this Rev Wright talk makes me crave a nice margarita. and these allergies are making my eyes watery...need more margarita to deal with this!!!!
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 9 years
The problem is NOT Obama's church. It's a congregation of thousands. This one man cannot represent thousands of people. The problem is Obama's close personal relationship with Wright and how he keeps changing his official statement on him. FROM CNN: Obama's political excommunication of Wright is not only a sudden and stark departure from his vaunted Philadelphia speech on race -- it also appears to be retroactive. In his press conference he said about Wright: "I know that one thing that he said was true, that he was never my "spiritual adviser." He was never my spiritual mentor. He was my pastor. And to some extent how the press characterized in the past that relationship, I think, was inaccurate." Indeed, the press had characterized Wright in that role quite often. For example, the Chicago Sun Times described him as "a close confidant" in an article about people Obama "seeks out for spiritual counsel," and the New York Times described Wright as his "spiritual mentor." Another source even called Wright the man "who helped introduce" Obama to his "Christian faith," who "counsels" him, is "like family," "a friend," "a great leader" and a "sounding board," who was a member of Obama's spiritual advisory committee and who officiated his wedding and baptized his children. That source? Barack Obama. I wonder where "the press" got all those crazy ideas. My issue has much less to do with the influence Wright has had on Obama and much more to do with his wavering statements and facts on the issue.
KrisSugar KrisSugar 9 years
thanks Sy!!! and thanks Cine for the fish n chips!
cine_lover cine_lover 9 years
Oooooo....I am off to check it out :run:
syako syako 9 years
hey guys this sorta has to do with the topic - I noticed that the sugar rush isn't working, so I just wanted to let you ladies know I posted a blog in the potluck group with our first little assignment! :woohoo:
cine_lover cine_lover 9 years
Thanks for the info Kris!
KrisSugar KrisSugar 9 years
not to mention his wife looks like she flew here straight out of a Patsy Cline movie. Some of you might want to hum "Crazy..." while you read. :)
KrisSugar KrisSugar 9 years
I was curious about the big church I have driven by many times, and the man who my parents have made fun of on tv for my entire life, so i googled him! :) If anyone is interested in what Pastor Hagee has to say, you can go to sacornerstone (dot) com and there is a little link in the top right hand corner "Response from Pastor Hagee..." I'm not defending him at all, just pointing you to his response.
cine_lover cine_lover 9 years
I don't think the church is a hate mill at all. My point is, that I don't think that saying that the church is very charitable is a very good excuse for Obama sticking it out with someone like Wright, because there are many churches that are charitable. I am actually curious if there is only one Trinity church in Chicago.
hausfrau hausfrau 9 years
Oh I certainly dont think the church is a hate mill. I think Wright is a nut, but I'm sure the church does more good than harm, most churches do.
Jillness Jillness 9 years
I never tried to make the case that Trinity was the very best church in our country, or that it trumps all others. That was never my point. All I am saying is that obviously Trinity was enough of a positive influence to get the President to invite them to the White House. As Syako said, it is an honor to be invited and praised by the President. I just don't think that Clinton would reward a hate mill, as some people have tried to portray this church as being.
MarinerMandy MarinerMandy 9 years
I think megachurches make a mockery of religion and these incindiary pastors are more concerned with furthering their own celebrity than doing good. I find it baffling that so many preachers/pastors/whatever they are seem to be able to read God's mind. It takes a very inflated ego to claim things like that. Last time I checked vanity was one of the seven deadly sins.
syako syako 9 years
While I'm sure it may be irrelevant since this is coming from G.W. and not Clinton, I know for a fact that George W referred to a local church (Healing Place) in his third state of the union address. "Our nation is blessed with recovery programs that do amazing work. One of them is found at the Healing Place Church in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. A man in the program said, "God does miracles in people's lives, and you never think it could be you." Tonight, let us bring to all Americans who struggle with drug addiction this message of hope: The miracle of recovery is possible, and it could be you." My point being, while it's an honor to be invited to the White House or to be brought up in the state of the union, it's not completely uncommon or out of the ordinary for churches to be recognized. I'm not trying to negate you Jill, I just wanted to bring up some evidence that churches across the country are being recognized for their charity, donations, time, and energy.
cine_lover cine_lover 9 years
I said repeatedly I am going by what you are telling me. Just because they were the first to help people HIV/AIDS, does not mean they continue to do the most nation wide and globally in this current day to combat HIV/AIDS. And IF they do, that does not mean that they do the most charity (combined) compared to other religions and churches. Maybe that is their focus, it does not mean they do MORE then my church does, or Undaves church does or anyone else's. You say I don't know about Trinity, but have researched all the charity work that other churches have done and other faiths or branches of Christianity have been involved with? That is what churches do! Is charity! The patrons walk (in Christianity) in the path of Christ, therefor a focus is on charity. I mean if you want some comparisons, should we compare what Wright has done compared to someone like Mother Theresa whom has been recognized by more people then President Clinton?
Jillness Jillness 9 years
"I can tell you, other churches and other religions DO a great deal of charity that is on par or surpasses Trinity in charity work." They were one of the FIRST churches to help the AIDS/HIV community. I don't see how you can suggest that other churches surpass Trinity, when you admittedly don't know a lot about them. I think that if a President invites you to the White House, you are obviously doing something that stands out in a positive way. I don't know all the details, but logic would suggest that Clinton didn't just draw names out of a hat.
raciccarone raciccarone 9 years
Jilli I wish you would stop beating around the bush and just tell us who you're supporting in the presidential election!
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