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Citizen Poll: World Police?

Representative Ron Paul, the only Republican presidential candidate to oppose the Iraq War, thinks the United States should not be the world's policeman. According to Paul, spreading democracy results in unacceptable consequences. Paul told ABC News:

We're spreading our goodness in Iraq, [and] we can't do that without dropping bombs on them and killing a lot of people.

When the interviewer suggested that if we don't attack them there, they will attack us here, Paul argued that an American presence overseas inspires hatred and attacks against the US, especially when bases are in Muslim holy areas.

Should America be the world's policeman?


Slippery-Walrus Slippery-Walrus 9 years
Ahh, one more thing. kh61582, in what way is Iraq connected to 9/11? Yes, those buildings were attacked, but how many of the hijackers were Iraqi? Also, have you checked out the 9/11 Commission Report? You know, that report produced by our own government saying that those terrorist attacks were in no way, shape, or form related to Iraq or Saddam? There's a reason no one mentions 9/11: it's irrelevant to this discussion.
Slippery-Walrus Slippery-Walrus 9 years
CaterpillarGirl, are you serious? I think you're a bit confused, maybe even misled. Here me out for a moment. Yes, America is a part of the UN. In fact, we are one of the top 5 countries in the UN! However, as you mentioned, it is a group. Group, meaning that it acts together as one entity. When one member ventures forth on its own and without the consent of the other party members, how much support can you really expect from dissenters? Take a moment to look at some cold, objective facts. See the number of soldiers America has deployed in Iraq? Now, see how many soldiers have been sent out by other countries that are with us in this effort? (What this effort really is, is another discussion, mind you.) Those numbers indicate that this is America, pretty much all by itself, and has NOTHING to do with the United Nations, nor the fact that we are a part of it. In case you haven't noticed, not much of anyone in that collective is happy with this war we've brought upon ourselves. Also, Michelin, I applaud your reasoning. I was beginning to fear that no one had called out these people and their illogical pro-war assumptions.
kh61582 kh61582 9 years
It's not as simple an issue as this question attempts to make it. This question is worded in such a way as to assume we started the war with no provocation whatsoever. They flew plans into two of our buildings and killed over 1,000 people. Does no one remember that anymore? We went over there with good reason and despite what CNN tells you we have done some good things over there. George Bush disappoints me in that he has no idea how to express his views in a way that liberals can understand. The objective should not be to spread democracy necessarily but to calm the hatred that caused 9/11. I feel like we've succeeded enough to pull out at this point but I remember watching the World Trade Towers collapse and I remember who is responsible for that unlike some people.
coaks coaks 9 years
The US placed Noriega in power! America has done horrific things (especially in Latin America during the cold war) abroad in the name of democracy. I think as a nation we need to critically look into the history of our country's foreign policy, in order to truly understand our impact on the world both good and bad.
divinedebris divinedebris 9 years
KathleenxCouture, I praise your statements about Dr. Paul. Honestly, Ron Paul is the only real republican out there because he believes and stands for the fundamental beliefs of the republican party since it came about in 1854.
KathleenxCouture KathleenxCouture 9 years
This is not a shocking thing to hear from Ron Paul because if you actually took the time to examine politics instead of having biases against your opposing political parties you would see that Everything Ron Paul stands for is very much what we need right now. You left something out Liberty, Ron Paul doesn't want us to police the world yes, but he doesn't want us to be isolationists, in fact he said in an interview that he would take us out of a lot of countries but he would leave us in some places too, he just doesn't think that we should be so concerned with other countries business all the time when we have so many things to deal with inside our OWN country first. Now this man is VERY smart, before the "recession" that we are in right now was in the news (and yes we ARE in a recession), Ron Paul was talking about it in the campaign trail months before when he first noticed it. He is very aware and educated, and unfortunately, i can't say the same for many of the other candidates out there. It is very unfortunate that people base their vote on factors that are the most obvious to them when they don't know exactly and how directly it will actually affect them. I also resent the people who are saying that they are surpised that this is coming from a republican because first of all...DO NOT BASE YOUR OPINION ON REPUBLICANS simply because Bush has drilled us into the ground and he just happens to be republican. Not all republicans are this way, and its neither sad nor wrong that Ron Paul is Republican. He didn't vote for the war in Iraq but he did vote for us to go into pakistan and afganistan after 9/11 for WMD and he clearly states that this was because we knew what we were doing and we knew how long it would take to get it done and get was BUSH who extended the stay and made this war into more than it should've been. I also agree with his views on the constitution and how we should stick to it, it's simple and it lys down the rules..we don't need all the extra bells and whistles of govenrment that is lessening our freedom as a country. Go out an learn more about Ron Paul before you make inaccurate assumptions about Ron paul and his position in the republican party.
Too bad, in many parts of the world, we are being viewed as the aggressor...
janneth janneth 9 years
Democracy is not the best form of government for every country. Period. Also, sometimes we might have to take the role of police if it means defending another country against an aggressor.
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 9 years
Finn that is not even close to the case. War economy, what does that mean? that our nation is based on War?? again, its not just us involved in the conflicts, just like ITS NOT JUST US in Iraq. Tons of countries are in the UN, it is an INTERNATIONAL organization aims are to facilitate cooperation in international law, international security, economic development, social progress and human rights issues. The UN was founded in 1945 to replace the League of Nations,There are now 192 member states. It is funded by VOLUNTEER CONTRIBUTIONS within the 192 members...and guess what? We are the biggest contributer to its budget 22% in 2006. There is a limit to how much one certain country can contribute, and its between 22-25 percent. The US is the only member that meets that percent. The largest part of that money, goes towards peace and security.
CoconutPie CoconutPie 9 years
It just feels like the people who have been governing the USA since WW2 strongly believe that war economy is the best and that they need other countries to desperately need them and fear them at the same time in order for the USA to remain the #1 superpower. Since the end of WW2, they've just been involved in conflicts after conflicts (sometimes clearly justified, sometimes simply out of personal interest).
The-City-Girl The-City-Girl 9 years
You're DEFINITELY misreading me. I SAID that the only personal attacks I've seen on here have either been from someone who is also using the comment to support either Bush or the war. That is not a generalization of any sort, nor am I calling the PEOPLE less than civilized whatsoever, only the nature of their remarks.
nyaradzom2001 nyaradzom2001 9 years
Does anyone know the story of the DRCongo and Patrice Lumumba and how America's direct role in his death brought about Mobutu Sese Seko, one of he worst dictators of all time, and in the end this conflict over there. I think fo me personally this is the best example and reason why foisting "democracy" on nations is wrong.
freegracefrom freegracefrom 9 years
Sigh. Why can't we express differing points of view in a civilized way without resorting to personal attacks on each other? I understand these are things that we feel strongly about, but there's no reason to get nasty.
popgoestheworld popgoestheworld 9 years
To comment on the "have you read the documents" issue... I was sitting around in a group of people one day, arguing about the Patriot Act. We weren't agreeing on anything so at some point I stopped everyone and said: "How many of us have actually read the Patriot Act, even in part?" Would you believe that none of us had read it? Everyone was just repeating whatever their favorite TV pundit had said about the matter. I truly believe that many, many political discussions are based on the same lack of understanding. Whether the intent of the comment was to be condescending or not, I agree with syako that it's good advice to read the documents. Maybe Citizen can look at each ammendment in a "Need to know" or something. I bet we'd really all learn a lot!
piper23 piper23 9 years
City Girl, if you really feel that we all need to respect each other then you shouldn't group all Iraqi war supporters into the group that you deem less than civilized. I think that is pretty ad hominem thing for you to say.
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 9 years
Kiki, my brother in law is over there right now, and he has Iraqis thanking him all the time, women children men old and young. this is his 3rd tour of duty, and every time he gets thanked. to quote the IAFA "We will honor those who have sacrificed for our freedom by building a new Iraq that lives in peace with the nations of the world, without fear of war, torture chambers or terrorism"
nyaradzom2001 nyaradzom2001 9 years
Jovian I haven't been rude so please don't be rude to me, I don't get personal so don't cross that line with me.
The-City-Girl The-City-Girl 9 years
I happen to work in the senate and therefore am familiar with those things, but it still seemed condescending, and I have happened to notice that the only people who have used ad homine attacks and sunk into less than civilized debate have been Bush and Iraq war supporters. . .I even posted before that we need to all respect each other despite differences of opinion.
syako syako 9 years
I don't think it was condescending. Good advice actually, if we all read those things we'd sure be able to debate in a more civilized way, that's for sure.
The-City-Girl The-City-Girl 9 years
Okay Caterpillar, maybe I am mistaking the tone of your recent post, but it came across as pretty condescending. You're just listing off all those things as if you're extremely familiar with them yourself and therefore your opinion is more valid than ours, but you're not actually saying what in those documents and resolutions justifies your stance. . .
Michelann Michelann 9 years
Also, for those of you who are surprised to hear this non-interventionist attitude coming from a Republican, you should do a little research on the party's history. That has been their position for a very long time. In fact, President Bush ran on this very policy in 2000. I can't be the only one who remembers him saying that we must not police the world. It is not Dr. Paul who has strayed from Republican ideals, it is the rest of his party. Sugarbecky, I do not take my position simply because I am unhappy with the current administration. Surely the current administration has failed to live up to many of its promised principles, but the foreign policy problems have been around for much longer than President Bush. Our troops have been stationed in the middle east (as well as in Korea, Germany, and others) for a very long time.
Michelann Michelann 9 years
It is impossible to "spread democracy" by military force. Democracy is a government by the people, for the people, therefore it must be the people of a nation who instate a democracy. Furthermore, it is not our job to solve the problems in the rest of the world. CaterpillarGirl mentioned that she thought Dr. Paul seemed "condescending" last night, but what is more condescending than thinking the US has the right to station troops in whatever country we please or overthrow a country's democratically elected officials(it happened in Iran, look it up). The United States' foreign policy is arrogant, condescending, and is the underlying reason that terrorism is being directed at Amerians. And frankly, it is partially responsible for the economic problems here at home. And on a side note, Dr. Paul is constantly pointing out that we haven't declared this war. That is unconstitutional and should be unacceptable to the American people.
sugarbecky sugarbecky 9 years
Having read all the comments, I have to say that I agree with Caterpillar Girl-- everyone else is just unhappy with the current administration, and thus, their comments reflect that. Bush doesn't necessarily equal America, but alot of people seem to lump the two together.
starkiss23 starkiss23 9 years
Ron Paul continues to pleasantly surprise me.
Kkkkkkkkkkk Kkkkkkkkkkk 9 years
Caterpillar Girl, you honestly think the US invasion helped the Iraqis? You really believe that if you stopped an ordinary Iraqi on the streets of Baghdad he would tell you that he is happier and more secure now? Assuming it was even safe enough for you to be on the streets of Baghdad... (speechless)
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