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Clinton vs. Obama: Who Has the Momentum?

Who won today? Well, that depends what your definition of "win" is. Clinton definitely broke Obama's winning streak, and came away with big prizes — Ohio, a state crucial in the general election, and Texas, which is as big as it gets.

Hillary Clinton might have a legitimate ticket out of Junior Super Tuesday, simply as a result of the complicated nature of the results. Deciding which matters most —net delegates, the popular vote, big states vs. small states, momentum — is all susceptible to serious pro-Clinton spin. Today, it may mean that the Democrats and the press, want to take a second look at Barack Obama.

Earlier, most of you said that Hillary Clinton needed double digit wins in Ohio and Texas, or she's toast. It's true that the math is still not in Hillary's favor, and an appeal to superdelegates may turn people away from the Democratic Party. Now that the results are in, do you think Hillary should go on?

And for Politico's Top 5 factors behind a potential Clinton comeback,

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  1. The "SNL" Factor. SNL exposed fawning coverage of Obama.

  2. Wolfson Barks. Howard Wolfson is Clinton’s hired thug, a.k.a. campaign communications director. He is convincing the press to be tougher on Obama.
  3. Burying Bill. Is the former President on a covert mission with Harry in Afghanistan?
  4. Sister Sledge. The press may be underestimating how much complaints of sexism ring true to many women.
  5. Timing. The Tony Rezko trial coming on the tail of the 3 AM phone ad was perfect.

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emg2114 emg2114 9 years
Don't forget about my home state of RI! WOOT! I got out and voted=) BTW, i love that you guys at sugar made citizensugar.
Jillness Jillness 9 years
The fact that she has come back to the table with a plan that will force people to have health insurance and garnish wages and assign penalties if you don't, will NEVER get passed. She did not learn her lesson from 10 years ago, and that is apparent. The fact that Kennedy worked with Clinton on SCHIP, and now endorses Obama really says a lot. Kennedy understands that progress takes compromise. Clinton is a "fighter", as she says.
Jude-C Jude-C 9 years
Just in case I might seem to be a clueless Obama supporter just parroting what other people say without any knowledge of my own, here are some facts: Barack Obama’s accomplishments are concrete. They are not just talk. He introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers and introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US. In addition, in 2003, he sponsored and passed legislation that expanded health care coverage to 70,000 kids and 84,000 adults. He also cosponsored the Healthy Kids Act of 2007 and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) Reauthorization Act of 2007. Along with his very specific plans—and the outlined steps needed to get them implemented—these are some of the reasons I support Barack Obama. I also support him because I agree with his stance towards Israel. I can come up with about a million other reasons, but that would make this post even more obscenely long than it already is. Oh, and as for the question of his momentum and electability? After Hillary’s touted big wins in Texas and Ohio, Obama still leads her in the overall delegate count, 1520 to 1424. Those are the facts.
Jillness Jillness 9 years
Thanks, pinkprincess. There are morons out there supporting all of the candidates for the most absurd reasons. I don't think it is fair to label the majority of any campaign's supporters as being clueless, though. Each candidate has multiple biases that work in their favor.
pinkprincess1101 pinkprincess1101 9 years
jillness im glad you seem educated enough to explain your views, although still not convinced, unlike others that just agree with you but probably have no idea, reminds me of those college students on tuesday
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 9 years
Oh for pete's sake...what about the State Children's Health Insurance Program which has helped millions? Will people please read about Hillary's accomplishments and stop making assumptions. http://hillaryclinton.com/about/senator/ http://hillaryclinton.com/about/firstlady/ http://hillaryclinton.com/about/mom/ ISSUES: http://hillaryclinton.com/issues/middleclass/ http://hillaryclinton.com/issues/healthcare/ http://hillaryclinton.com/issues/iraq/ http://hillaryclinton.com/issues/energy/ http://hillaryclinton.com/issues/education/ http://hillaryclinton.com/issues/veterans/ http://hillaryclinton.com/issues/family/ http://hillaryclinton.com/issues/security/ http://hillaryclinton.com/issues/women/ http://hillaryclinton.com/issues/reform/ http://hillaryclinton.com/issues/voting/ http://hillaryclinton.com/issues/immigration/ http://hillaryclinton.com/feature/innovation/ http://hillaryclinton.com/issues/rural/
Jillness Jillness 9 years
New polls! Clinton vs. McCain = Clinton wins by 6% Obama vs. McCain = Obama wins by 12% Things are looking good for the Democrats! It is pretty significant that Obama has a double digit lead that doubles Clintons. Also just reported, Obama raised $55 Million in February He has had over 1 Million people donate to his campaign, with 90% of donations being less than $100. He is truly a candidate who has made it this far based on the people's will, against impossible odds. Now THAT is an accomplishment!
Jude-C Jude-C 9 years
Nice one, Jillness! You're absolutely right. They always say that Obama's the one who's all big talk and no results, but it's clear that that's not the case :)
Jillness Jillness 9 years
"I don't think the American public is ready for a minority President PERIOD....being a black man or a woman" The record shattering voter turn out for both of these candidates suggests otherwise. "do you know how many kids are turned away because they have no health insurance" Yes, it is tragic. Which is why I think it is especially horrible that she is once again over reaching with a plan that will never pass. Just as her failure 10 years ago prevented progress in the health care industry for a decade, her insistence to over reach again will keep those millions of children from getting health care now. We NEED progress. Hillary is too stubborn to make it happen, In Illinois, Obama had a far reaching health care plan that didn't pass. He learned from that, went back to the drawing board, and created a plan that passed. As a result HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF ILLINOIS CHILDREN RECEIVED HEALTHCARE. When has Hillary made such an influence?
pinkprincess1101 pinkprincess1101 9 years
oh was my comment so offensive i based that on an OPINION, he tries to talk like Martin Luther King when he gives speeches, when he was interviewed on entertainment tonight he wasnt speaking like that, now thats an opinion and you can disagree but dont call me a racist, and half the people on here keep repeating the same thing, no one has said anything original to back their claims, its the same crap from the same people, whatever you dont like hillary then dont im not going to sit here and force or beg you too, and the same with obama, if you want obama to win so bad go and help at campaigns do your part, to sit here and nag is not helping the situation, and too say we only want her to win because she is a woman, is not only degrading but also false, her health plans do you know how many kids are turned away because they have no health insurance, and this is not only minorities these are also white children, children going to bed hungry, and honestly i believe with hillary in office america has a chance our children have a chance at life, but that is my opinion, thats why i campaigned for hillary and educated the young that people expected would vote for obama, do you know how many college kids were going to vote for obama just because, had no real reason, and then you talk to them both hillary and obama supporters and people were in wow how hillary really has a chance to change america, but again just MY OPINION
tosser tosser 9 years
I also agree with juju's comments. Obama is my choice for change in the White House. Both candidates have been criticized in various media outlets, but Obama does not have the political tenure of Hillary. The media just has more to work with when it comes to Clinton. If Clinton does come out the Democratic candidate, I will support her, but it is strange to think of so many years of Bush and Clinton. Maybe it's just me. Then again, Jeb could run in 4 years and really give a scare..lol.
kiwigeek kiwigeek 9 years
Oh please no. Yes, she may have won Texas and Ohio, but somehow her campaign isn't as compelling as Obama's 'Yes we can'... If only Obama could stick it out just a little longer...
indielove indielove 9 years
"I do think that he and Hillary have some similar ideas, but I know that he has the manner that will facilitate getting things done. Ideas without the ability to follow them through gets you nowhere." THANK YOU, juju! I agree with you 110%! He listens, he willing to work together. As I told a friend earlier, the real difference between Hillary and Obama is that while she wants to be the American Savior(I know some would beg to differ), Obama wants to help us help OURSELVES. There's a real distinction there. Just because he's not 'in-your-face' all the time, shoving his plans down your throats doesn't mean he's not passionate and won't follow through. He CAN and he WILL. I don't want someone telling me that they're going to solve this and that and not do it because it isn't tangible. I want someone who will help me get where I want to be by opening doors and setting standards. WE, the people, have to take this country back. WE have to decide where we want to be and achieve that...I don't want someone telling me where I need to be. Got to have someone who's willing to listen but knows how to lead. If you have the amazing ability to inspire that Obama has, it makes people stop and listen. We need Obama. GO OBAMA!!! :D
msterias msterias 9 years
I don't understand why her insistence on staying in the race is seen as tearing the party apart. Just like how I didn't understand why the press and Obama supporters were urging her to bow out of the race when she lost those 12 consecutive races, but really was only trailing behind by about 150 delegates. I think she has good reason to fight until the end because Obama only has a slight lead in delegates. It's unlike the Repub's side of things, where McCain is/was winning by a landslide!
juju4 juju4 9 years
HAHA! "know where". Oops! Okay, my brain is fried from work. :-)
juju4 juju4 9 years
Zoorph, tresjolie, indielove, Jillness.....Love your posts! I base my support for Obama on the issues, and only the issues. I do think that he and Hillary have some similar ideas, but I know that he has the manner that will facilitate getting things done. Ideas without the ability to follow them through gets you know where.
trésjolie1 trésjolie1 9 years
But I don't call her a bitch or a hag, I rarely even want to discuss her pantsuits, so to not make it about her gender or age or whatever else I might be pinned down to think.
oshunbrese oshunbrese 9 years
Jude....the Democratic candidates are the most capable I have seen since the Kennedy era. I see that Obama or Hilly getting elected is a great opportunity for America to correct all the wrongs of the past 20+ years. I sincerely hope that a Democrat government wins the election in November. As for you comment... nominating white males etc. for the Democrat party....unfortunately this may be easier to swallow for the American public. I so hope come November....we are all proved wrong and our hopes re instilled in the democratic process within America.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 9 years
I completely agree Jude. I think that that is something that Obama and Clinton fans can actually agree on...progress.
Jude-C Jude-C 9 years
"I don't think the American public is ready for a minority President PERIOD....being a black man or a woman. Thus the Republicans will march on to victory yet again." What should the Democrats do, then? Continue to nominate white males and refuse to give minorities or women a chance, just to placate the lowest common denominator of American politics? One thing that gives me great hope about the Democratic party and the American public is that so far it does seem like plenty of us in the American public are more than ready for a black or woman president. In fact, many of us like our candidates not because of their minority status or gender--many of us like them without stopping to consider those things at all. Now that's progress.
indielove indielove 9 years
Hey Jude...yeah, it's the truth and that's what I stated before. Let's look at the facts, not pipe-dreams.
Jude-C Jude-C 9 years
From what I've read, Hillary gained very few more delegates than Obama last night--certainly far too few to be considered to have any real "momentum." Just sayin'. I have to say, I found those MLK comments disturbing.
oshunbrese oshunbrese 9 years
I don't think the American public is ready for a minority President PERIOD....being a black man or a woman. Thus the Republicans will march on to victory yet again....this is indicitive of the Democrats self destructiveness. Look at them now beating each other to death...get it together....
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 9 years
tresjolie: I believe you completely. Unfortunately I have had the complete opposite experience. I WISH that I had people as well-versed in Obama's policy as you and Jillness to debate with in REAL life. But I don't. AND I agree with only "educated political junkies" voting...lol...but true "it wouldn't be a democracy" then.
indielove indielove 9 years
"They all clinch to her soundbite, and think that since they(she) say it on TV then it must be true." Yeah, because she says everything with such vehemence than it MUST be the truth. She cries 'Oh, the media is mean to me', they bought into it and she's on every news outlet talking crap and throwing in a fake laugh every couple minutes, just playing up the smugness. She is a piece of work, I would almost call her strategies intelligent but they're only going to get her so far. Party it up now, I can't wait to see it all fall apart.
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