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Debate Rebate: Democrats Gamble in Vegas

Now that they're all friends, (sooo over the race thing,) and on a first name basis, the Democrats were free to talk policy at last night's debate. While it seems like debates are supposed to help highlight each candidate's unique qualities, this slot machine came up cherry, cherry, cherry. All three support universal health care, ROTC/increased military recruitment, and energy independence — and all three oppose the war. Seems like a jackpot — unless you're undecided. Here are the highlights:

  • John Edwards: John seemed pretty passionate. He broke down his stance on Iraq, saying:
    “I will end combat missions. And while I'm president, there will be no permanent military bases in Iraq.”

Overall, Edwards was the most willing to point out differences. He says his plan to get troops out of Iraq is more aggressive and claimed to be the only candidate not to take money from special interests.

For the rest of the candidates,


  • Hillary Clinton: Hillary's asked Barack to co-sponsor a bill to stop George W. Bush. On the one hand it put Barack in a tight spot, while also reminding Democrats of their common enemy GWB. But, for some reason I feel like every time Hillary goes head to head with Barack on the war, she suffers a net loss. She brought up Bush again saying:
    "President Bush is over in the Gulf now begging the Saudis and others to drop the price of oil. How pathetic. We should have an energy policy right now, putting people to work in green-collar jobs as a way to stave off the recession, moving us towards energy independence."

  • Barack Obama: Barack offered some straight talk on his positions. His unifying personality and clear judgment are obviously his strengths. Last night he said:
    “The only way we’re going to move the country forward is if we can bring the country together."

    But, if Barack and Hillary are essentially in agreement on what we should do now in Iraq, Barack may have given away his trump card — opposing the war in Iraq from the start.

As a voter still weighing my options, I don't think my answer was in last night's debate. Do you think there was a big winner in Sin City?


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jessy777 jessy777 9 years
I am happy with the three Dem. candidates though I am torn between my support for Clinton and Obama. I do not think I would ever vote for a Rep. w or w/o GWB. I do not support or agree with their party platforms. Looking at the individual is important but at the end of the day the person you support will align with their parties' ideals and that is why I am a Dem. and will probably always vote my party or choose an independent. I do not believe that is ignorant but is making an informed decision based on the whole package and not a single part.
blondie01 blondie01 9 years
I completely agree with you CaterpillarGirl!!
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 9 years
Oh there is a bias on this site And ignorance is shown when you say you wont vote republican just because of GWB. thats just like saying you will always vote Dem no matter what. I am not republican or democrat, i vote for the best candidate.
wackdoodle wackdoodle 9 years
katie104 I believe you will be allowed and entitled to vote in this upcoming election. Check with your local Elections Board for more info. How exciting, I remember my first election. I raced my dad to the polls at 6:57am PST to be the first to vote at our precinct.
wackdoodle wackdoodle 9 years
Let's get this straight please for the sake of being factual - Barak Obama has not been a senator longer than Hilary Clinton. This information is readily available on the US Senates own website. It is as follows: Hilary Rodham Clinton elected November 7, 2000 she would have been sworn in in January of 2001. She was Re-elected to office in 2006. She is what is considered a Class I level senator her term expires in 2013. Barak Obama elected in November 2004 sworn in January 2005. He is a Class III Senator up for re-election in 2011. Many people confuse the fact the Barak had been in the Illinois State Legislature with him having been in the US Senate. But I assure you he is serving his first and currently only term as a US Senator right now. For fun - John Edwards - elected to the US Senate November 1998 served one full term before being tapped to be John Kerry's running mate. Was asked to be the DNC chairman but turned down the position to focus on caring for his wife during the first cancer bout. Any questions, besides why is wackdoodle so annoying - it's the cheese?
jnj213 jnj213 9 years
dennis kucinich would definitely be my ideal president but theres almost no way this will happen. i'm definitely hoping it goes democrat though... as long as romney nor huckabee wins ill be okay i think. we'll be okay
katies104 katies104 9 years
I can't vote in the primary because I won't turn 18 until October. But I still hope that Obama can pull through. I would love to be able to cast my first vote for him.
Jillness Jillness 9 years
I don't think divisiveness has anything to do with the fact that she is female. It has everything to do with Ken Starr and White Water. The fact is that Bill Clinton was "new" to Washington when he became president, and many people really liked him. It doesn't seem that you regret his presidency, and even if he was "new" he was great. I don't think that wisdom can be either have it or you don't. Obama has traveled the world working on Nuclear proliferation, and was the President of the Harvard Law Review...a group that has had 6 Supreme Court justices as their members. He sticks to facts, and I feel Hillary is more tied down to corporate america than Obama is. I think Obama is completely up to speed. He really knows his world history and global politics. I think Obama has so much wisdom, and I trust his decision making process and how he focuses on facts and not party bias. At the end of the day, I just want a democrat in office! Kays, I completely respect your opinion. Isn't it great that we have 3 fantastic candidates to chose from?
Kaysnowboarder Kaysnowboarder 9 years
Oh come on - Both candidates have been slinging mud but the great thing is they have stopped and so should their supporters. Also, if Obama wins the nominee, I would definitely vote for him. To say that he has more time in the Senate than Hillary - true but she has been on the World stage, had been there for world decisions, has been an organizer and making the case for civil rights for a lot longer than Obama. Hillary has been the fresh voice in the white house and knows what it is to not have the experience. I think Hillary will make fast work of cleaning up the mess the Bushies will be leaving. The job needs someone that is up to speed and knows how to deal with Washington. Obama will take at least of couple of years due too his idealism when he walks in the door - just like the Clintons when they walked into that white house door. Also, to pull the divisiveness card, is becoming an old cliche' when it comes to the Clintons. I think that is another punch to her being a female.
Jillness Jillness 9 years
I think Hillary is intellegent, but she seems to be the first to throw mud. I think it is a little unfair to suggest that people think she is arrogant only becasue she is a woman. When she gets trapped in an argument, she tends to loose her poise (something Obama never does). I also don't know if she could withstand the the amount of dirt that Republicans have held onto for years now. I think there are many people who haven't solidified an opinion on Obama, but there are many that would never vote for Hillary because of old grudges. Obama has actually been a senator longer than Clinton, and I don't like how she throws out "35 years" of experience...she just became a senator a few years ago. Being a first lady isn't an elected position.
Kaysnowboarder Kaysnowboarder 9 years
Thanks CitizenSugar for finally covering the debate. I am happy with our choices as Democrats. Clearly, Hillary did not falter and if you do get into her website and look at her discussion of issues you will find a wise person that has been there and knows what she is talking about. I like Obama, but many of us who have been involved with high tech companies and have known the young creative charismatic CEO who goes out and raises a lot of money to start the company is not the necessarily the CEO who could run GE or any other big company. I think Obama will get there but I think Hillary is brilliant and ready for prime time. Let me just ask if she was a man would she seem so arrogant to some of you or just really informed. How great to finally live in a country where the top two candidates are an African American man and a brilliant woman. It makes me proud to be an American. Let's face it many of us who travel overseas knows that Bill Clinton is a rock star in the world and will definitely help our international status.
Jillness Jillness 9 years
I think that America really needs an intellegent, positive leader. After 9/11, most Americans asked, "What can I do?" They were told to just go on being normal. I feel that the impact of 9/11 was so strong, and Americans would really have given so much of their time and energy if they knew it would help. We need someone who doesn't just tell us who to hate, but rather what we can do to make our world a better place. Obama has the incredible intellegence to lead us in the right direction, and the speaking skills to make us follow him! (IMO...everyone is entitled to think differently! :) )
alillee alillee 9 years
I just know that when the next presidential election rolls around..I will NOT be voting Republican. Almost any Democrat has to be a better prez than GWB.
Jillness Jillness 9 years
I tried to post a link, but it got flagged and never showed up! Hmm. Thanks hayworthgilda for getting the job done! :) I agree Juju, the presentation of ideas is so important. That is why we certainly don't need people like Fred Thompson in the White House, with his "40 virgins" comments.
naked_american naked_american 9 years
Yeah John Edwards! You won't get the nom, but I'll vote for you in the primary anyway (otherwise, what's the point of having an opinion?).
starturtle44 starturtle44 9 years
think* Really wish we could edit our comments!
juju4 juju4 9 years
I've gone to both Clinton and Obama's websites and checked out their thoughts on the issues. I think what stands out to me the most is not only the differences in their ideas, but the difference in how they present their ideas. Hilary always comes off a little arrogant and pushy to me. I think Obama's approach will not only make our government more productive and less divided, but I think that other nations will warm to this approach as well. GWB is a perfect example of how the wrong tone can turn people off to what you are saying...regardless of whether you are right or wrong.
starturtle44 starturtle44 9 years
I would agree in noticing a bias. I thought there was a bit more back and forth on things in the debate last night. Also, I would hate to thing someone's "trump card" in becoming president is that he was against the war first. I think it should be about a little more than that.
hayworthgilda hayworthgilda 9 years
the link is: check it out -- I think he's got a lot of great ideas! and I agree that there seems to be a lot of bias in the posting. The choice of quotes is one particular example.
wackdoodle wackdoodle 9 years
I like John Edwards - watched him speak here in SF, he's as sincere as any of the candidates - its spliting hairs - unless you can actually meet them face to face its really hard to determine their sincerity and honesty from watching on TV . As I tell my nephews if JE becomes President everyone better think good thoughts cause John Edwards is psychic and sees ghosts! ;p
pinkdragonfly pinkdragonfly 9 years
"I think Hillary is the devil incarnate." Lol MotoLinz. Debates are sometimes more annoying than they are useful. Too much going back and forth when really I don't care who can "argue the best" - I just want to know where they stand on the issues! And I can get that without watching debates.
starofsorrow starofsorrow 9 years
Yeah, I'm still really undecided between the three candidates. They're all pretty good, though I don't completely agree with Clinton, and I don't know too much about how Obama is going to do the job. At the moment, I'm leaning to Obama, but we'd have to see. Jillness, I'd love that website whenever you can. =)
Jillness Jillness 9 years
TheMissus, if you want specifics from Obama check out his VERY DETAILED explanations of 20 major issues on his website. If you click on the title of say "Economy", it will give you pages of specifics. I found it to be very helpful! I will post a link in a moment.
MotoLinz MotoLinz 9 years
Edwards, to me, comes off extremely phony and insincere. Maybe it's because I perceive him to be a bit of an ambulance chaser. I don't know. I think Hillary is the devil incarnate. :)
TheMissus TheMissus 9 years
I think everyone would love a President like John Edwards in an ideal world. But this isn't an ideal world. Time to get up and face reality Mr. Edwards. And Barack's comment was still so freaking vague. Who WOULDN'T agree with him that we need to come together as a country? Mr. Obama needs to start being a lot more specific. We can't just hand him the job if he's going to just gives us pillow talk. I'm not the kind of girl who will just drop my panties to pillow talk. I need substance. And confidence.
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