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Does Choice of Gay Bishop Prove Obama's Inclusivity?

Does Choice of Gay Bishop Prove Obama's Inclusivity?

When Barack Obama chose prominent pastor and traditional marriage advocate Rick Warren to deliver the traditional blessing at the inauguration ceremony, Obama deeply upset many in his base. While the move appeared to be an olive branch to conservative Americans, many felt that Obama lent legitimacy to Warren's non-inclusive and sometimes inflammatory positions on homosexuality.

Now, Obama appears to have tried to right (or left) the ship. Gene Robinson, an Anglican Bishop who also happens to be openly gay, will kick off the inauguration weekend with an opening prayer at a star-studded nationally televised event on Sun. Jan. 18.

When Obama came under fire for his Warren pick he said: "It's important for America to come together, even though we may have disagreements on certain social issues." Now that he chose prominent representatives for both sides of the gay marriage debate has he swayed you toward appreciating the representation of all viewpoints?

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bluesarahlou bluesarahlou 8 years
42 happens to be my favorite number, but for different reasons than why you speak of the number 42. :)
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
Nope, 42 is the answer to everything.
bluesarahlou bluesarahlou 8 years
Wrong!
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
The answer is.... 42.
True-Song True-Song 8 years
I've yet to get an answer...
bluesarahlou bluesarahlou 8 years
amy! :o
amybdk amybdk 8 years
AND a lot of women! :)
bluesarahlou bluesarahlou 8 years
I imagine a lot of men would be upset if that ever happened! ;)
bluesarahlou bluesarahlou 8 years
" How about you explain to me how giving blow jobs are different from being a pedophile? Cause hey, I was just born loving to give blow jobs. It's just my natural impulse. If you fail to give me an answer I find satisfactory I guess we'll have to outlaw them." :rotfl:
True-Song True-Song 8 years
"I've yet to get an answer that isn't "Because it's legal." That isn't an explanation, that's a duck of the question." Dave, every time this topic comes up you make offensive comments comparing being gay to being a pedophile. And every time you claim no one has pointed out how they are different. And every time someone points out that the huge and glaring difference is that gay sex is between two consenting adults where no one is harmed. And every time you seem to ignore or fail to comprehend this basic logic. How about you explain to me how giving blow jobs are different from being a pedophile? Cause hey, I was just born loving to give blow jobs. It's just my natural impulse. If you fail to give me an answer I find satisfactory I guess we'll have to outlaw them.
tiabia tiabia 8 years
Blue and Jude, we have long passed the litmus test of logic on this thread. If a parent needs to hear that in 2085 America will throw childhood innocence to the wind and kowtow to pedophiles, then that is what they want to hear.
bluesarahlou bluesarahlou 8 years
I feel 100% confident in saying that our society will never believe sexual activity with a child is ok. It's really not that hard.
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
It's really just not that hard, is it?
bluesarahlou bluesarahlou 8 years
"..so if we give it enough time, and show that not all pedo cases involve "abuse or harm", what's to say that pedo won't become legal in the future? " That will never happen. Sexual activity with a child is ALWAYS abusive and ALWAYS harmful. "How do we keep the things that should be illegal, illegal?" By using the clear and obvious litmus test of "does it take place between consenting adults, or does it involve abuse, force, and harm, especially to minors?" for a start. Amen to that.
tiabia tiabia 8 years
Fine UnDave in 2085 adults will be able to engage in "adult" situations with minors. Is that what you want to hear? I guess my mind is completely closed according to you, because I just can't fathom how anyone much less a parent can't actually see a similarity between what happens between TWO CONSENTING ADULTS and what happens between AN ADULT and A CHILD, MINOR, ADOLESCENT, TODDLER.
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
"How do we keep the things that should be illegal, illegal?" By using the clear and obvious litmus test of "does it take place between consenting adults, or does it involve abuse, force, and harm, especially to minors?" for a start.
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
I've yet to get an answer that isn't "Because it's legal." That isn't an explanation, that's a duck of the question. Homosexuality at one point was illegal, so if we give it enough time, and show that not all pedo cases involve "abuse or harm", what's to say that pedo won't become legal in the future? That's where I'm going with this. How do we keep the things that should be illegal, illegal?
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
Anyway, Dave, you tend to ask the same questions every time there's a homosexuality thread, and you get perfectly reasonable answers every time, yet continue to ask those questions and make those comparisons, so it's a little funny that you'd be calling someone else close-minded.
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
We've all been around and around the "homosexuality vs. pedophilia" merry-go-round so many times that my head's spinning. Is there even any more to say?
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
Because homosexual relationships between consenting adults don't inherently involve abuse and harm, the way pedophilia, for instance, does? That would be my guess. I hate the term "deviancy," by the way. You may claim you're using it simply in the dictionary way, but the strong negative connotations it places on anything considered outside the norm--which, of course, depends where you're sitting--just makes it a very loaded term.
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
Ok, that's fine. But at least answer me this: How does the gay community distance itself from every other form of sexual deviancy (I don't use that term to mean bad, just not what is considered the norm) who use that same excuse "It's an impulse." All things being equal (some do think Homosexuality is immoral, as well as pedophilia)?
tiabia tiabia 8 years
Honestly UnDave...after numerous anti-gay comments, there is no way that your stance or your offensive comments will ever change. There is someone on this particular thread that is extremely closed-minded, and it isn't amybdk!
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
That's too bad. I would've liked to actually discuss what I had questions about. But it seems you're too close minded to read and respond. Just read and react.
amybdk amybdk 8 years
I don't care what your point was - I just don't appreciate your mindset. :oy:
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
:oy: You're missing the point. I give up.
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