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Hillary Wins Pennsylvania, The End Game Is Redefined

Hillary managed to escape the “demilitarized zone” by grabbing a genuine 10 point victory in Pennsylvania. Still, it’s not quite obvious where this thing will go. I predict three possibilities, which seem to depend not on the margin of victory, but on how much Hillary can fundraise.

  1. Hillary could go out on this win, blaming her exit on being outrageously out-fundraised by Barack.
  2. A significant amount of superdelegates, fearful that Clinton will operate a “scorched earth” campaign by taking this thing to the convention, will come out for Barack who leads in the pledged delegate count.
  3. Hillary will get a fundraising surge, and push for Florida and Michigan votes to be factored in. That, with some good showings in North Carolina and Indiana, will help her make the argument that she won the popular vote, or that she is more electable than Barack.

Like Super Tuesday and Junior Super Tuesday, I think the Pennsylvania primaries will be a wash. The goal posts will be moved further back, and what is needed to win the nomination will again be redefined. What do you think? Hillary won the contest, but does she win the spin?

To see Citizen's reaction,


Citizen: My question isn't if Hillary has won the spin or even if she has a chance to go all the way, it's why can't Barack Obama wrap this up? If everyone is as gung-ho "yes we can," as we're meant to believe, why did he lose last night? And in a huge pivotal state like Pennsylvania?

I think I'm having a Hillary Renaissance. I'm thinking back on the coverage of her campaign over the past six weeks, and I'm seeing a pretty harsh hand. The Bosnia misspeak? I hardly think it was the malicious deed we've been conditioned to think it was. And I'm done holding Bill's . . . tongue against her. I just don't know that I'm willing to swallow the Hillary-as-Devil or Lady Loser trope the media would like us to consume. I say bring on Indiana and North Carolina! Heck, even my little home state might get to have a say!

My only real concern is if the Democrats rage on, McCain stays out of the fray and might have a hard time inspiring campaign contributions in his idyllic solo sojourn.

How do you think the next few weeks will play out? Are there going to be big superdelegate announcements? A big shake up?


lilkimbo lilkimbo 9 years
Just to throw my two cents in, McCain has talked about cutting programs. The government has determined that 1 in 5 programs is running inefficiently, and McCain would work to cut those programs. He would also reform Medicaid, which would save the government money. He has also proposed private accounts to supplement Social Security, which is a huge drain on our budget right now and will only get larger. In addition, he was one of only a handful of Senators who used no earmarks in 2007. (I read an article about it, but can't find the link now!) He has stated that, while earmarks are only a small part of our federal budget, banning them completely would make a difference. If he were to become president, he would use the line item veto to get rid of earmarks. Anyway, there was more I wanted to respond to, but I was so busy yesterday. I think cine, cabaker, and syako held down the fort pretty well, though!
Jillness Jillness 9 years
Cabaker, I guess my main point with McCain's tax plan is that it would be great if we started off with a blank slate. But we are soooooo far in the red, it doesn't seem to help us get into the black. It might help a little, but I think we really need to decrease our debt significantly. Interest is a witch! ;)
hausfrau hausfrau 9 years
Jill I can see why you'd disagree with the tax idea, as a pillar of the Democratic school of thought is disagreeing with the Republican school of thought that less taxes = more money spent = better economy... Honestly, Im not quite sure what the Democratic economy school of thought is, other than raise taxes to make money for the gov't. So I can see why you'd disagree, but the point I was trying to make was that McCain has very clear and specific ideas on each issue.
jenintx jenintx 9 years
I agree that Hillary is unelectable at this point. I think she's done too much damage with her stretching of the truth and finger pointing (and not just about Bosnia). I've read in the CNN comments areas of the political ticker that even her former supporters (who voted for her in their primaries) are turning against her. That said, I wish Hillary would quit spouting that she's won "all of the big states." She may have won the popular vote in Texas (and barely, at that), but Obama won the caucus, which gave him (I believe) 7 more delegates than she won. That means Obama won Texas, and I wish the news outlets would give the whole truth instead of the half truth.
Aphrosette Aphrosette 9 years
Feeling the need to comment.... Hillary I feel is unelectable at this point. No matter what she does if she wins the nomination it will be in some shady underhanded way. Politics at its best I guess! However, it is something that I would never condone nor would I vote for in the Fall. Being an Independent "swing" voter I would never vote for Hillary in the Fall, and I know I'm not the only Independent that feels that way (ahh if only we had a say in the primaries!!) If only she would just drop out and then we can get on with the real election!
cine_lover cine_lover 9 years
"most of the health care ideas are also in Obama and Hillary's plans." I noticed that, which is why I thought you might find it interesting, but he is not looking for Universal in the sense that tax payers would be paying for the uninsured. "Those policy ideas seem to reduce the amount of taxes that are being taken in, which doesn't help our country pay off the trillions of dollars that we owe." Since we are in debt, it does seem like we should be cutting out programs, as I have stated before. We should not even be paying as we go, since we don't have the money to pay for anything extra at this point.
Jillness Jillness 9 years
"I think Michigan and Florida should be counted. You think those two states will forget that Obama didn't want their votes..." This is a total distortion of facts. First of all, Obama said that he would agree to whatever the state representatives and the DNC agreed upon. Their lack of agreement had nothing to do with Obama. He does not have the power to control this by himself, anymore than Hillary could seat them by herself. It is tragic how many lies have been spun and repeated out of this situation. 2nd, in Michigan, all of the democratic nominees pulled themselves from the ballot. This includes Richardson, Edwards, Biden, etc. ALL of them, except Hillary, because she was trying to skirt the system. 3rd, why didn't Hillary fight for the votes BEFORE the elections? The decision was made months and months ahead of time. Why didn't she fight to seat them? Like many things in her candidacy, this is very suspicious.
cine_lover cine_lover 9 years
When I first read your comment sy, I thought the junk you were referring to was the junk in my trunk ;)
Jillness Jillness 9 years
Wow, where to begin? Cabaker, with the tax me that doesn't really address the issue of how much debt we are in right now. Those policy ideas seem to reduce the amount of taxes that are being taken in, which doesn't help our country pay off the trillions of dollars that we owe. Cine, most of the health care ideas are also in Obama and Hillary's plans. One of the big flaws with the system right now, IMO, is that there are many limitations in regards to pre-qualifying conditions, and refusal of treatment based on corporate abuses of power. 60% of the bankruptcies in our country are the result of medical bills. 70% of those people HAD insurance at the time of the medical is the quality of "insurance" that needs regulation. Bankruptcy hurts us all, because it hinders the payment of services performed. I think the industry needs to be looked at from a perspective that isn't tied to lobbying groups.
syako syako 9 years
cine - well if you ever need help with all that junk pm me because I know too much of it, that's for sure!
bellaressa bellaressa 9 years
In my Southern accent: Well thank you very much miss.
syako syako 9 years
:wave: nica! Happy bday again!
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 9 years
:) That's a really cute story. AND bellaressa is just a gorgeous name.
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 9 years
Happy Birthday Nica! :cake:
bellaressa bellaressa 9 years
No Harmony - it's ressa, bella is a nick name though (It sounds creepy how I received it but it was an old Italian man that you to shop at the store I worked at when I was 15, he came in every year for 5 years and he called me bella and it stuck). Too bad he died, I told him I would marry him when I drew up. :lol:
cine_lover cine_lover 9 years
:wave: by Nica! Have a fun birthday!
Your first two points are never gonna happen. Never. So you can for get about it. I think Michigan and Florida should be counted. You think those two states will forget that Obama didn't want their think those two states will give him their votes. I don't. Even with all Obama's money, he still lost PA. Hillary will catch up. I think North Carolina is Obama's state and Indiana is up for grabs. Neither one of them has it locked. Gooooo Hillary!!!!! That's my girl, keep fighting on.
nicachica nicachica 9 years
whoops, forgot to say good-bye!!! thanks for the great convo! :hug:
cine_lover cine_lover 9 years
Sy, I do not know if it is good for me. I think it is made out of sour cream :pnder: It is tasty. I have never counted a calorie in my life. I don't even know how many I am suppose to have in a day.
nicachica nicachica 9 years
okay ladies (and Dave?...are you a guy?), i HAVE to get at least a couple things done today at work before going home for a family dinner. yay!!! more birthday cake! hanging with my sibs! playing with my niece! PRESENTS!!!!!! :kool:
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 9 years
Is your name really bella? I LOVE that name. Just beautiful. That's my favorite girl name and I will use it if I ever have a daughter. :)
Jude-C Jude-C 9 years
"too bad you and i don't want the same changes" That's what's so great about conversations like this one (which I've been enjoying reading for a while now ;) ). I think we all want the same ultimate goals for our country and world--we just disagree on the steps needed to get there. We need both sides of the debate, and both sides here are quite articulate, so it's always a pleasure.
cine_lover cine_lover 9 years
nica, it is like you said before, I think most people on this site want the best for our country, and our citizens. We just differ how to get there. Of course we Consevatives know the correct path. ;)
cine_lover cine_lover 9 years
Bella, it confused me too!
nicachica nicachica 9 years
Cine, i agree that we definitely need more civic participation in this country. i get really disheartened when i see people who are so apathetic to playing a role in their democracy especially when so many people have died for that right in this country and many others. i have to admit that it's hard sometimes to not get apathetic when you see so many things that are corrupt, but you're right, we all need to use our voices! too bad you and i don't want the same changes...;)
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