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How Much Say Should GOP Have in Stimulus Package?

In a spirit of bipartisanship, President Obama met with Republican leaders today to listen to their concerns about the proposed $825 billion stimulus package, which will hopefully create between 3 to 4 million jobs. While Obama may listen, there's no indication that he feels obliged to implement GOP suggestions. Politico reports that during the talks Obama pointed out "I won."

Some of the Republican concerns include:

  • The amount being spent on the package.
  • The inclusion of tax credits for those who do not pay income taxes.
  • An inadequate amount of middle class tax cuts.

Despite Obama's assertion of his political capital, GOP leaders did appear somewhat content with the course of the meetings. Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell said that Congress would likely meet the mid-February deadline for passing the package.

How seriously should Obama, and the Democrats, take GOP concerns?


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stephley stephley 8 years
1) Obama has more than one economic advisor. You cherry pick the sources you use to suit your purpose. While the advisor to whom you refer probably does draw from something he learned in school, I am sure he draws far more on his own years of professional experience in his study of causes and effects. 2) I very likely am far more aware than you of the economic problems Reagan inherited from Carter as I reported on them in Washington DC. 3) I do not denigrate higher learning, I simply recognize when someone is pressing an argument based on points they have studied rather than personal or professional experience. 4) I understand what a "right" is, both practically and legally. You recently demonstrated that you have studied the concept but still are weak on application.
organicsugr organicsugr 8 years
You're right steph. It's very much about what has been tried. Your opinion shows that you don't know the economic problems that Reagan inherited from Carter (by some measures worse than the economic crisis today), or how FDR's policies extended the recession he inherited to over ten years. The reason that you can't "educate" me as to why tax cuts are not reasonable is simply because you don't know why they are not. But even if you want to stay inside an ideological box, you can look at Obama's economic advisor's study which studies the history of the cause and effect of tax cuts vs. GDP. It isn't my economic theory from class, it is Obama's economics advisor's theory. But it's probably just based on something he learned in school. I'm not sure what the denigration of higher learning is about. From what I've seen, you seem to think education is a "right," even if you don't really know what the word means.
stephley stephley 8 years
It's not up to me to educate you on how tax cuts are not a "reasonable" way to deal with the current worsening economic issues. If you've been unconscious, asleep or unable to evaluate causes and effects over the past 30 years in US economic history, that's not my fault. This isn't about MY economic theory versus the one you like best from class - it's about what has been tried and what needs to be done now to prevent the US and individuals from losing potentially productive years to economic collapse.
organicsugr organicsugr 8 years
"BI-partisonship, not non - and change requires new ideas, which the Republicans are not offering. When they come up with something reasonable to deal with the ever worsening economic crisis Obama's faced with now, I'm sure he'll listen. We've heard the tax cut idea though, over and over and over..." And Obama's own economics advisor shows that tax cuts are a much better way to solve the crisis than ridiculous government expansion. I'm failing to see how tax cuts are not a "reasonable" way to deal with the economic issues. Please explain your economic theory.
stephley stephley 8 years
BI-partisonship, not non - and change requires new ideas, which the Republicans are not offering. When they come up with something reasonable to deal with the ever worsening economic crisis Obama's faced with now, I'm sure he'll listen. We've heard the tax cut idea though, over and over and over...
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
:true:
Katie-Kat398180 Katie-Kat398180 8 years
This argument of "Bush did it (ignored the other side), so why is it such a big deal if Obama does it" is ridiculous. Think about the logic here. People didn't like Bush because of the things he did. If what he did was wrong, why would we want the new president to do the same thing? This isn't a two wrongs make a right situation. If Obama is going to bring change and non-partisonship to the office of president, then he needs to do it by listening to all sides of the argument.
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
I refuse to think of social security as taxes... it is an insurance plan.
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
Pop- I apologized.... I made a mistake.
beavis667 beavis667 8 years
Zero. Let the Democrats hang themselves.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
:oy: It's just getting sad.
stephley stephley 8 years
Nah, I've seen some of your posts elsewhere.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
Steph, you can't be surprised if everyone looks at your posts as some kind of instigatory thing. But if you are truly up for discussion I am more than game.
organicsugr organicsugr 8 years
I implore everyone who thinks government spending is the way out of recession to look at a study done by Obama's top economics advsior. http://www.econ.berkeley.edu/~cromer/RomerDraft307.pdf In case you don't care to read it: It is generally thought that every $1 in government spending increases GDP by $1.40. Romer finds that every $1 of tax cuts increases GDP by $3.00. Anyone who thinks this increase in size of government has to do with the recession is kidding themselves.
stephley stephley 8 years
Actually GS, I was just wondering how to work the two ideas together, but never mind.
organicsugr organicsugr 8 years
"Where were they a few months ago and definitely in the last 8 years. All of a sudden they are concerned about the rising debt? Give me a break." So, you think we can spend our way out this depression? And solve a credit crisis by taking on more debt?
mommie mommie 8 years
Where were they a few months ago and definitely in the last 8 years. All of a sudden they are concerned about the rising debt? Give me a break.
popgoestheworld popgoestheworld 8 years
And also, employees do pay social security tax. That's different than income tax. Though I do agree that if you are giving $ back to people who aren't paying taxes you should call it welfare and not a tax cut.
popgoestheworld popgoestheworld 8 years
""This thing is endlessly growing and getting more complicated to the point where no one understands anymore what is happening" Many republicans want this to be smaller, so maybe he should listen to them more than the democrats. And I don't appreciate you calling conservative, contraception. " Yes, I agree with Republicans that it should be smaller and that Obama should listen to them. That was the point of my comment. And I don't even understand the last part about calling names. You managed to take a comment that you agreed with and turn it into a disagreement. Nice work!
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
With that said, "Just because they don't pay "income" tax doesn't mean that they do not pay taxes. " That would be why I and GS bot said ""The inclusion of tax credits for those who do not pay INCOME taxes" See the word income.... If you want welfare, call it welfare darn it! Stop fooling people into believe they are tax cuts. Those people themselves do not pay taxes, their employers pay their part for them, but they do not. Calling it a tax cut is a fallacy. And with how great every one is touting Obama, you would think he would be open outright and forthcoming with information, open book, right? It isn't a tax cut, it is welfare. I would much rather prefer that TAX CUT 15% 10% because this is where the majority of the money and spending power in the US lies. I am not even a part of that tax bracket. We pay over 20% so it wouldn't affect me either way, it would just be better served and not socialistic if he offered tax cuts where they were deserved and not offering a hand out.
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
"And I don't appreciate you calling conservative, contraception." That was the term House Minority Leader John Boehner used to describe aspects of the recovery plan. I stand corrected :( Sorry
Jillness Jillness 8 years
I am getting confused. First they complain that Obama is giving out too many tax cuts...then, now the Republicans are saying they want to do big tax cuts. Sounds like they are making major drama while arguing the same side of the debate. Part of the plan is investing money into infrastructure, and part is tax cuts. Part will probably be something to address the housing issue or loan/credit situation. I do think we need to get things started quickly, but if a major investment needs to be well planned to make it efficient, so be it. We don't need the economy handled like the war. 2010 really isn't that far away...11 months now. And just because construction might not start on infrastructure plans for 11 months, that doesn't mean that work won't begin in other areas of these projects (therefore employing people). In 2005, the American Society of Civil Engineers gave our infrastructure a D! We need investment in infrastructure anyway to protect our families on the roadways. To make sure that dams don't break and kill people. Don't you remember Minnesota? We need to make sure that bridges, drinking water, hazardous waste, schools, and mass transit are being handled properly. These are things that can seriously kill or harm large groups of people if not handled responsibly. Our country needs this investment, it will employ millions of people in thousands of industries, and will also include tax cuts. I just don't see how people can be against it.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
"The inclusion of tax credits for those who do not pay income taxes" Just because they don't pay "income" tax doesn't mean that they do not pay taxes. "And I don't appreciate you calling conservative, contraception." That was the term House Minority Leader John Boehner used to describe aspects of the recovery plan.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
Steph, what does that have to do with anything? I'm talking about regular taxes for the middle class, not business taxes.
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
From the article "The Republicans stressed that they want to include more middle class tax cuts in the package, citing their proposal to cut the two lowest tax rates — 15 percent and 10 percent — to ten percent and five percent, rather than issue the refundable credit Obama wants." Why should we be giving welfare away to those that don't pay income taxes when we can use that same money and help those that do!
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