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Law to Require Woman to Look at Baby Right Before Abortion

Starting November 1, doctors in Oklahoma will have to perform ultrasounds and describe what they see to women about to get abortions, within an hour before the procedures. Oklahoma's ultrasound law, which also exists in some form in Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi, does not make an exception for victims of rape or incest. One abortion clinic has now filed a lawsuit asking Oklahoma state court to throw the law out.

Multiple concerns add to the complexity of this law. First, many argue that making a woman meet her would-be baby before she terminates the pregnancy is cruel and a violation of her privacy. Also, the high expense of ultrasound machines means clinics unable to afford them will not be able to provide low-income women access to abortions. Finally, some see the law as the legislature replacing doctors because it prohibits a doctor from deciding what is best for the patient.

Do you think it's necessary to legislate extra considerations for a woman about to have an abortion, or should the performance of an ultrasound be left up to the doctor and the woman? Should the state try to get women to change their minds?


Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
That sounds not only just as sexist as you accuse them of being, but also geographically biggoted and uninformed.
ChristineMa ChristineMa 8 years
That is a ridiculous law and a very cruel and intrusive and misogynistic law, enforced in states that are notorious for their redneck way of life. I am certain, men, were the people behind the inception of this!
alynn28 alynn28 9 years
I completely agree with you G.S. I am both horrified and amused when i read the some of the comments by most of these women. its sad how delusional they are. Its like they are so determined to justify abortion theyll take whatever made up idea they have or whatever over-done nonfactual propaganda theyve fed into and try to pass it off as fact. and i thought the new thing was that no one is actually "pro abortion" and that they really want to reduce the number of abortions. well, here is something that will help reduce that number, and theyre yet again crying about how unfair and cruel it is and how it should be stopped. how about how cruel and unfair it is that millions of babies are being denied basic human rights?? "It is a POVERTY to decide that a child must die, So that others may live as they wish." - Mother Teresa
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 9 years
If the woman goes through an adoption agency she has HER pick of parents. They put together books to try to convince the mother to pick them. They only go into foster care if the mother, after giving birth and taking the baby home either abandons it or is declared an unfit mother. Some of you have such skewed ideas about adoption, foster care, and abortion.
catpartyletsgo catpartyletsgo 9 years
These are moral judgments on a woman's decision, and completely unnecessary. If the woman is there ready to get an abortion, she already wants the abortion. And the people that believe so strongly in women having the child they don't want NEVER adopt those unwanted children. Put your money where your mouth is and HELP those women raise their unwanted babies, adopt one, become a foster parent, etc. Don't just pass laws against a women's choice, pass laws to help the woman with whatever decision she makes.
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 9 years
"I think this law is appalling. We need to stop trying to manipulate women. This is a gross invasion of privacy and totally disgusting. However, if this awful law goes forward, I don't see why there should be an exception for if the woman was raped. Similarly, I don't understand people who are against abortion except for in the case of rape. I'm sorry, is it only murder if the woman enjoyed the sexual act to get her pregnant? No, it's either murder or it isn't. This argument just makes me think that people are against abortion because they like punishing the woman who chose to have sex, and that is also appalling." Ummm even though rape is a crime and sex is not lets just get that clear, sex is also a choice rape is not. The women who had time to plan, think, and assess her sexual activity and choose to have sex should have in some cases also choosen to use protection the Rape victim doesn't have that choice and is forced into sexual activity and potentially forced into pregnancy sometimes this also involves incest with brings in a gentic element as well. So with saying all that I don't see how making and excemption for rape/incenst crime victims is someone punishing women who have consitual sex.
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 9 years
"interfere with ones right to live" Well it's clear that all aren't equal under the eyes of the law. Children born or unborn don't make decision so yes it's up to the mother.
bastylefilegirl bastylefilegirl 9 years
" 'I wish that people would stop making laws for moral reasons!!! I don't want to have to live by what YOU think is moral. Laws are not created to guide society's moral compass.' " Ummm... on what basis should we be making laws?" She's right we shouldn't be making laws for moral reasons because we as a society can agree on a lot of things it's wrong to steal, but we can't agree on some and to "force" on group of people to abide by some moral code of others is unjust. I don't think it's right to kill animals for sport but I shouldn't be able to prevent a hunter from doing so because I think it's morally wrong.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 9 years
suga, you are talking to someone who knows.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 9 years
There are waiting lists at all the major adoption centers for a baby of any race or mix of races.
smorzalli smorzalli 9 years
Another aspect of this argument that hasn't really been addressed yet. Some people have been putting forth adoption as a catch-all solution or alternative to abortion. Beyond the nine months of pregnancy, the medical and emotional effects on the mother, it's also worthwhile to consider the large numbers of children who go unadopted in this country and around the world- who are shuttled through foster care, without a stable, loving home.
Sugasuga29 Sugasuga29 9 years
alynn28, I agree that it may help reduce the number of abortions. I am hopeful that it will. But I would never say "cut out" in reference to terminating a pregnancy. It is extremely insensitive--to everyone potentially involved. And GreatSommelier, again--undergoing pregnancy and then childbirth--traumatic to your body even when you want the baby, is just too much. Add to that the fact that so many adult children of adoption go out looking for their birth mother simply to ask "Why'd you give me up?" It's just too much to ask of anyone. I applaud anyone who HAS done it, because it appears superhuman. The biggest lesson anyone could learn from this discussion is simply this: Until you've been in a certain situation, you have no right to try and tell someone how to live.
alynn28 alynn28 9 years
i think this will help stop some abortions from happening, and since i know even people that are pro choice claim they want to reduce the number of abortions, this should be a good thing right? ;)
alynn28 alynn28 9 years
oops, "THEYRE" cutting out.
alynn28 alynn28 9 years
I think this a great idea. Now they can see what their cutting out.
Advah Advah 9 years
"The choice is to have sex, the consequence is pregnancy (or stds)." I must have missed the point where men have to face pregnancy scare, or worse, are told that they should carry and see grow inside them the baby of the person who abused them. The day that happens, then I'll be ready to discuss abortion with men. And I really wish people would stop assuming that all unwanted pregnancies result from women being too dumb to think of taking the pill daily, or of using a condom. You seriously have no idea how F*CKING INSULTING that statement is.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 9 years
Or the woman realizes that this person inside her isn't responsible for it's fathers sins and selflessly shares nine months of her life with this person. Then the woman can make one of the most noble decisions a woman can make and choose to bless a family that can't have children with this little silver lining.
Sugasuga29 Sugasuga29 9 years
How on earth could anybody--ANYbody--expect a woman, just going along with her life, with her own dreams and hopes, to carry out the pregnancy and then KEEP the child that started with a brutal attack?! How? IS this prncess person serious? I'm a Christian too-don't use that as your reasoning. So a woman who's attacked in this way and in which a child is conceived, is supposed to give up EVERYTHING--her whole life--to raise a child she never wanted? A constant daily reminder of the man who ruined a big chunk of her life? What if the child looks JUST LIKE its father? Do you know how psychologically impossible that would be for a lot of women?
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 9 years
What irks me is that everyone who just assumes that the first thing a woman wants to do when she finds out she is pregnant with a baby after a rape is kill it.
Stephabbey Stephabbey 9 years
This completely and absolutely appalling. It should be the woman's choice if she wants to look at the fetus--Not something that is forced upon her at such a vulnerable time. Imagine if u were the victim of a sexual assault that resulted in a pregnancy and then u have to deal with this?? Why can't our states respect and protect a woman's privacy, mental health, and right to choose. This is just horrendous.
MisterPinkNoTip MisterPinkNoTip 9 years
This is absolutely despicable.
johnsonkm20 johnsonkm20 9 years
This is ridiculous. Doctors go to medical school to make decisions to help personally guide their patients. Yet, Legislators are forcing their own agenda on everyone, no matter the circumstances.
Michelann Michelann 9 years
"i genuinely don't understand why people care so much about something that will never affect them, like a stranger getting an abortion" If you really put yourself in their shoes, and understand that they see the fetus as a human child, then it's pretty much the same as saying "I genuinely don't understand why people care so much about something that will never affect them, like a stranger being murdered." I believe abortion should remain legal (with certain restrictions), but I certainly understand the other side's point of view. It's pretty simple if you just recognize that they truly believe a fetus is a human life from the moment of conception.
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