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McCain Hits Obama on Cuba Diplomacy

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McCain Hits Obama on Cuba Diplomacy Republican presidential candidate John McCain marks Cuban Independence Day on Tuesday with a fresh slap at Democratic front-runner Barack Obama for a pledge to meet Cuba's leader if elected in November. Obama's vow to hold direct talks, without preconditions, with leaders of countries hostile to the United States, including Iran, North Korea, Syria, Venezuela and Cuba, has given McCain a broad opening to attack Obama over foreign policy.

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lilkimbo lilkimbo 9 years
Jill, here's the link: http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/lobbyists-on-obamas-08-payroll-2007-12-20.html Sorry for the delay. I left for the night last night before you posted!
Jillness Jillness 9 years
Do you have a link to the article? I have been looking on The Hill and I can't find it. Interesting site, though! I have never been to it before. :)
lilkimbo lilkimbo 9 years
Clients such as Oshkosh Truck and Pinkerton Consulting paid more than $700,000 for Emmett Beliveau and his colleagues at Patton Boggs to represent them during the first half of 2007. Beliveau received a $3,050 payment from Obama’s campaign for advance work on Feb. 21, a campaign finance report shows. (from The Hill) I don't think it's that big a deal that he has lobbyists on his staff, I just don't think you can say it's only something McCain does. Even if he is following the policy he set forth of not having current lobbyists, Obama is not free of ties to lobbyists.
Jillness Jillness 9 years
Obama's policy has always been that he wasn't going to have current lobbiers on his staff. If there was just that one 2 week overlap I understand, but if he has current lobbiests on his team, I think it is worth investigating. In regards to the Cuba issue, Richardson said this: "Richardson added, "John McCain doesn't understand as well as Senator Obama and I do how the Castro regime works. John McCain -- like George Bush -- is afraid to talk to bad guys. He feels safer pretending to talk tough by hiding from them. Unfortunately ordinary people will pay for his lack of diplomatic skill. This is the Bush-McCain foreign policy that has failed all over the world, and it has failed to promote change in Cuba. I have successfully negotiated with Castro and many like him, and I know that Barack has the judgment and experience to nudge the Cubans toward a better future."
lilkimbo lilkimbo 9 years
From a Slate article: Obama now has 14 bundlers who are also federally registered lobbyists, but they are currently inactive, according to Public Citizen. I'm not by any means saying that people shouldn't have lobbyists working on their campaigns. Lobbyists are well-connected and tend to know a lot about specific issues. I am just saying that there are lobbyists on both sides in this campaign. (Or should I say all sides, including Clinton's.)
lilkimbo lilkimbo 9 years
Here's just one sentence from the article: Teal Baker, who received her first payment from Obama’s campaign on June 13, represented 18 corporations between Jan. 1 and June 30 of this year while working as a lobbyist for Podesta Group, a K Street powerhouse. Others are listed as well.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 9 years
Actually, it's untrue that the media would be all over it if Obama had lobbyists on his staff. I found several articles, with best one being posted on The Hill, that cite lobbyists who were being paid by corporations at the same time they were being paid by Obama.
zeze zeze 9 years
"I would like to learn more, but US sources don't think international agreements about nuclear power are important, I guess." Please stop with this obscure, irrelevant information - I am busy trying to figure out if Obama is a Muslim and why he and his reverend hate America!
Jillness Jillness 9 years
One more thing I just read about international relations... Bush was just in Saudi Arabia last Friday to try and get help from the Saudi government to help us with gas prices. They refused to help us more. However... Bush signed some agreements with them. One is that the US will assist them in developing civilian nuclear power . Another agreement promises the US to help protect any Saudi nuclear infrastructure with training, the exchange of experts, and "other services as needed". I find it pretty shocking that I am not hearing more about this! I found this on a pretty obscure international news site. I would like to learn more, but US sources don't think international agreements about nuclear power are important, I guess.
Jillness Jillness 9 years
"It is so incredibly idiotic to think that by ignoring someone they will magically do what you want." Exactly! You also make really good points about the balance of the Middle East before the war, and how their regional tension is a great motivator for the actions these countries take. "I find it absolutely mind boggling that no one considered that maybe Sadam wanted Iran to think he had WMDs." Isn't it scary when we take military action based on machismo and bragging?
MarinerMandy MarinerMandy 9 years
The US seems to think that we are right no matter what. That there can't possibly be any circumstances under which we could be wrong. For example, I find it absolutely mind boggling that no one considered that maybe Sadam wanted Iran to think he had WMDs. Prior to the US invastion Iran was Iraq's biggest threat...you know that long war they fought in the 80s and the continuing hostility. When you look at Iran now, they are surrounded by nuclear Pakistan, nuclear India, nuclear China, not mention immense unrest in Afghanistan and Iraq. If I was in charge of Iran I'd sure as hell be trying to fortify myself.
zeze zeze 9 years
Ahmadenijad is a tool (in more ways then one) the Bush administration knows and uses him and elevates his status and power to elevate his use. They use him for fear, it works out perfectly because the more important we make him seem the scarier he is, and the Bush administration knows he's a whack job, they know he is like that kid in class who can't control himself, so if you pick on him and hit the right buttons he will act go nuts and you and your friends can show everyone what a psycho he is. I think its common sense that most deviants act out when they want to get something across an no one will listen, their reaction to no one listening is always to act out in a way where it is harder for them to be ignored. We can listen and still say "NO" and that way we can have a lot more allies one our side when we decide to take action after listening and saying no (sorry, but Poland doesn't cut it) - when we don't listen we are only making matters worse for ourselves, putting our people in troops in danger of people who want to make a point and putting out powers in danger by not showing potential allies that we have exhausted all other means and military action is necessary.
MarinerMandy MarinerMandy 9 years
This is exactly why I've begun liking Obama so much: his approach to foreign policy. It is so incredibly idiotic to think that by ignoring someone they will magically do what you want. The foreign policy that says to ignore these "rogue, Axis of Evil" countries is the foreign policy of fantasy land. And as mentioned above, Ahmadenijad has far less power than we give him credit for. Why the Bush administration and Republican party elevate him to a status he does not have is beyond me...other than they really want to start war in Iran. Look how much good our approach did in Cuba. I think it is so important to open the door to them and find some common ground especially now that Raul Castro has taken positive steps.
Jillness Jillness 9 years
That is a GREAT quote from Baker! We need to make progress in the world. This isn't just a political game, there are real consequences of our actions. We NEED to make political progress with these nations, and Baker is right, talking to them is not a reward. It is information gathering.
Jillness Jillness 9 years
Also, the DCI Group, the company that Doug Goodyear and Doug Davenport work with, once worked for the military junta in Myanmar according to the Wall Street Journal (the one that oppressed opposition in Berma and is denying aid to cyclone victims). If Obama had lobbiests in top positions on his campaign with these types of ties, the media would be all over it. The double standard is appauling.
zeze zeze 9 years
Wow, this issue is a lot bigger then I thought, I assumed there were loose ties and relationships that McCain cut off just to be sure, as a PR move! This really makes me mad, I can't believe we are still obsessed with why Obama wears/doesn't wear a flag pin when something like this is going on. So much for the liberal media nmyth! The media is nothing more than a big corporation working for no one but themselves!!! Thanks for the info Jillness, I'm going to read up on it a little more, a lot of my friends are on the fence between Obama and McCain, I think this is something they should look into before making that decision.
stephley stephley 9 years
The trouble with bringing up the McCain resignations is that so many people wouldn't care - what's a little conflict of interest if you're making money? I just saw this on the Huff Post: A clip of former Secretary of State James Baker has been making the rounds recently, as a result of the current 'appeasement' debate between John McCain and Barack Obama. Unfortunately for McCain, Baker agrees with Obama. And even though the interview is from this past October, Baker addresses head-on the issue of appeasement, saying: "Diplomacy involves talking to your enemies. You don't reward your enemies necessarily by talking to them if you are tough and you know what you are doing. You don't appease them. Talking to an enemy is not in my view appeasement."
ghostofchance ghostofchance 9 years
okay so tell me again how the tired, old, and totally failed bush/mccain diplomacy is working?
Jillness Jillness 9 years
"Khamenaie is the head of the state, Ahmedennajad is one of his people, not the other way around." Exactly! And I guess I did read about the lobbiest thing in the Wall Street Journal yesterday, but it was waaaaaaay in the back. It was Thomas Loeffler with the Loeffler group that was the one tied to Saudi Arabia. There is also Charlie Black who was with BKSH & Associates Worldwide until March so he is still in the campaign. Doug Goodyear and Doug Davenport, and Eric Burgeson all dropped out. Burgeson was a lobbiest for energy companies, and he was on McCain's energy policy staff.
zeze zeze 9 years
That's not how it works in Iran, I would hope McCain knows a little more about Iran, considering how much he talks about them. Khamenaie is the head of the state, Ahmedennajad is one of his people, not the other way around.
zeze zeze 9 years
Same here Jill, I keep hearing snippets but no real info. I had not heard about anything with Saudi Arabia!
piper23 piper23 9 years
If I were the US President willing to talk with a country that we're at odds with, I would expect to talk to the President. Not one of his people. Maybe that's why John McCain says that.
Jillness Jillness 9 years
Is anyone else surprised that Citizen hasn't had 1 thread that has delt with the fact that 4 or 5 McCain senior advisors have had to drop out of his campaign because they are current lobbiests? That one of those men received 15 Million dollars from Saudi Arabia, so he is essentially an employee of Saudi Arabia? I would like to learn more about these issues, but the only ones talking about it are biased sights. Arg.
Jillness Jillness 9 years
"McCain might have a stronger position if he could get his facts straight about the leadership in Iran." I know! He keeps saying Obama wants to meet with Amhinijad (bad spelling), when really it is Kohmeni that makes the foreign policy decisions for that country. They do not have a political structure like the US. When Obama said he would talk to the leaders of Iran, that does not mean Amhinijad. He keeps saying that Obama would meet with Hamas as well, and Obama has specifically said constistently that he would not meet with Hamas.
stephley stephley 9 years
McCain might have a stronger position if he could get his facts straight about the leadership in Iran. He makes too many mistakes to be challenging anyone else.
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