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McCain Suggests Obama Tax Policies Are Socialist

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McCain Suggests Obama Tax Policies Are Socialist Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Saturday accused Democratic rival Barack Obama of favoring a socialistic economic approach by supporting tax cuts and tax credits McCain says would merely shuffle wealth rather than creating it. "At least in Europe, the Socialist leaders who so admire my opponent are upfront about their objectives," McCain said in a radio address. "They use real numbers and honest language. And we should demand equal candor from Sen. Obama. Raising taxes on some in order to give checks to others is not a tax cut; it's just another government giveaway."

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CHOOCHOO CHOOCHOO 8 years
oh, and by no means do i want this country to turn to socialism. everyone brings up sweden as their example. income tax is said to be 55%. sales tax is said to be up to 25%. members of the church of sweden even have to pay taxes. does that mean my bubble yum will cost me $70? $75 if i am a member of church? that is a scary notion.
CHOOCHOO CHOOCHOO 8 years
lynn, supposedly, when stocks get back up to normal, we the people will get that money from the bailouts back. depends on who's in office, i suppose. on the other hand, 'spreading the wealth around' means we don't get that money back...ever. what happens when you rely on all these peters to pay paul, and those peters peter out?
Adrenalynn75 Adrenalynn75 8 years
I work very hard for every dime I make, so if Obama wants to give me most of it back and not give it to the government, then GO SOCIALISM! My tax dollars went toward bailing out those idiot Wall Street fatcats, so feel free to spread the wealth downwards this time instead of paying it up!
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
I think Obama chose not to dignify it with a response. I think Powell did a good job of explaining it, but maybe as far as Obama is concerned, it's better just for people to draw their own conclusions. I mean, if McCain constantly puts him on the defensive; "I'm not a terrorist! I'm not a socialist! I don't hate white people! I'm not a Muslim!" eventually it's just going to detract attention from real issues, apparently like how out of touch McCain is...
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
I heart monster- I am not sure exactly if or when Obama has refuted the "socialist" accusations, but I just watching this interview with Powell and he talks about it near the end of his interview! Go figure that a more economically conservative Obama supporter would address this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LbLxja4UHY&eurl=http://jezebel.com/5065608/colin-powell-obama-would-be-a-transformational-president?cpage=1&sort=asc SOrry I don't know how to embed the video or make the link look pretty. It's from a CNN interview this morning with Powell.
i-heart-monster i-heart-monster 8 years
Hey - I'm a native Arizonan - I know that McCain will say or do anything that will serve his own devices... we've been experiencing it here for decades. Yet, we keep electing him despite viable alternative candidates. Go figure. But, organicsugar has a point in post 14, I haven't heard any of Obama's people refute McCain's socialist allegations... Obama had the chance at his rally in St. Louis, but he instead chose to call John McCain out of touch, yet again. So, I guess he either didn't feel that his brand of "socialism" is wrong for our country, or he didn't want to dignify the poke with a response.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
*because mostly I just care about Arugula...
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
I heart- Oh yeah, I can understand that. But I just cynically do not think that is McCain's point, I think he just wants people to be like, "omg, what, Obama is a SOCIALIST and TURRERIST!" My list of freedoms: 1. The freedom to be free. 2. The freedom to be a free American. 3. Freedom. 4. Not NYC OR 9/11. 5. More freedom. 6. Patriotism! 7. Not socialism! 8. Actually, no government, at all! 9. I'm a gonna do whatever the hell I want! Gimme a gun, so I can go be more free!* *note, this list is a lighthearted joke!!
i-heart-monster i-heart-monster 8 years
oh, I didn't mean to say that the postal service wasn't socialistic - it is. I was just saying that I don't think all socialist elements are bad. I just don't want to see us go bonkers with racking up the tally on how many socialist programs we do employ... GS - I like your list of freedoms. :)
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
"GS- *headdesk*" How can I refute such a logical, well thought out response. What I see is, "I have no response."
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
I heart- well, clearly you aren't hiding behind the rhetoric, and I definitely don't think you sound like you'd be scared of something just because it's "socialist," just that you'd disagree strongly with that policy. I understand why McCain would characterize Obama's policy as leaning more towards a socialist one, I just think that he isn't honest about why he uses that language- that he is trying to scare his supporters. He certainly wouldn't refer to his own mortgage-buying policy as a more socialist one! I really, vehemently disagree with your politics- but I don't think they are scary and bunk because you do specifically address each one- and don't hide behind anything. The only thing I would disagree on is that just because something is in the Constitution, the postal service, that it isn't socialist/nationalist. I mean, the income tax is also in the Constitution as well, explicitly. GS- *headdesk*
i-heart-monster i-heart-monster 8 years
Well, the United States Postal Service is a nationalized service which is protected in the constitution. Not all nationalization by nature is bad, and nationalization is an element of socialism. However, socialized medicine is bad. At least McCain's plan lets people shop for their own coverage and encourages competition, but I'd rather things stay the way they are now. I don't want the government to have free access to my medical records, do you? I'm not scared of socialism; it clearly works in some countries. I just don't want to see anymore of its elements introduced into our country than already have been. I am scared of the people who want us to introduce more socialism into this nation (including government bail-outs). Call me heartless, selfish, whatever you like, but I'd rather the government cut all welfare, including free school lunches, than have my medical records on speed dial for whatever government agency wants them. And if you disagree with me, were you one of those people that supported the Patriot Act and said, "Sure, take my right to privacy, for national security's sake."? Abortion is a matter of having the freedom to choose - it's a freedom I fight for. Clearly snowbunny, you and I are not going to see eye to eye here, but at least I won't call your ideas scary and bunk.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
The freedom to strive for greatness and not be penalized for it. The freedom to actually make money for yourself and your family through your own hard work and know how. The freedom to be rewarded for your own actions, not the actions of others. Shall I go on?
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
I heart monster: which freedoms specifically? The freedom to buy crap mortgages as face value from people who made poor economic decisions? The freedom dump money into the banks and lending institutions? The freedom to drive the economy from a budget surplus to a budget deficit, resulting in an even greater national debt- necessitating borrowing FOREIGN funds from China? The denial of the freedom for women to choose what to do with our bodies if we become pregnant-even if it poses a risk to our health? The freedom from ever saying anything specific or truthful, and instead relying on scary rhetoric and your bunk interpretation of what the founding fathers fought for? Well, you keep on fighting for our freedoms, whatever they may be!
i-heart-monster i-heart-monster 8 years
Amen Great Sommelier and organicsugar! Our disdain for growing governmental control is why we revolted against Britain. Go ahead hand your freedoms over to the government- you're free to do that, but I'll fight to keep mine (and yours), thanks. If that means voting for McCain, so be it, but honestly, I'd rather vote for Paris.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
Well, what do you consider socialism? In an incredibly general way, a socialist policy could just be one that either redistributes wealth by means of government control. So, for example, the free school lunch to kids under the poverty line, that is a more socialist policy. You can have many of these policies in an economy that is PRIMARILY capitalist. Any government regulation of business, that would be moving from complete capitalism to a more socialist policy. The FDA regulating food safety is less than pure capitalism. Really, pure market capitalism is simply not what we have, or have had, for at LEAST the last 100 years. So calling Obama's healthcare policy as not purely capitalist is definitely an accurate thing, and not something to be scared of. I think that a good mix of capitalist and "socialist" policies is probably a good thing, but it's not the word "socialism" that we should have this knee-jerk reaction to. Look, are you arguing there should have been no regulation in determining who gets housing loans, that McCain's OWN health policy doesn't have an element of "socialism?" How in the world is buying mortgages at face value NOT socialism? Just because McCain says it's not? Because as Serial pointed out, when you buy someone's mortgage at face value, you are redistributing the wealth to this group of people! Ya know what is striking to me? People on here who are scared of "socialism" and "cavorting with terriers," but tend to talk about in terms of "I'm so deeply scared of socialism," without articulating specific policies. It's exactly this; talking in sweeping generalizations without any knowledge of, or regard for actually policies as implemented. Rhetoric can be a very powerful and motivating thing, but it can also be a destructive force that allows people to hide their ignorance of real issues behind scare tactics.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
Amen Org.
organicsugr organicsugr 8 years
"First of all, many of his voters will be insulted that he thinks they are dumb enough to be scared by the word "socialism," when really it's just a way to describe a policy that requires more government control over the distribution of wealth." Is this a joke? I'm afraid people would have to be dumb not to be scared by socialism.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
I have to say, I don't know if I can keep coming here. It really scares me. Like deeply scares me that there are people in this wonderful country who socialism doesn't sound bad too. I truly beleieve that if you want a socialist government and you think things are so much better somewhere else, you should go there. Not try to change the very foundation of this great country that has remained on top for 100 years. I am truly depressed now.
serial serial 8 years
caleb99, and yet Scandinavian countries with socialist-influenced mixed economies seem to be fairing pretty well, and are much more insulated from free market shocks like what's going on right now. Besides, the Soviet Union, Cuba, China or Vietnam are not "socialist" by definition. They're much more Leninist-Stalinist or Maoist perversions of Marxist communism controlled by strong dictatorships or oligarchies.
serial serial 8 years
And McCain's plan to use $300 BILLION in taxpayer money to buy up bad mortgages at face value is not socialist how? Sounds like McCain wants to take my taxes and buy up bad loans at a prices far in excess of the value of the collateral so that people who got in over their heads and failed to keep up with payments get a free ride off government goodwill. Meanwhile, people who were responsible with their mortgages and kept up payments are stuck with their mortgages with no beneficial rate adjustment. And what about McCain's plan to give $4 BILLION in tax breaks to oil companies? Exxon Mobil made $11.7 BILLION net profit last quarter, or $90,000 a minute, or $1,500 a second. Somehow I doubt Exxon and companies like it need the corporate welfare. Spreading around the wealth indeed!
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
I think this strategy could really backfire on McCain. First of all, many of his voters will be insulted that he thinks they are dumb enough to be scared by the word "socialism," when really it's just a way to describe a policy that requires more government control over the distribution of wealth. Plenty of capitalist societies have many policies that are somewhat socialist- whether it is social security, healthcare, etc. And he needs to stop with this "paying taxes isn't patriotic" crap too. How the hell does he think the military and his salary are funded? I think the worst part of this strategy is that people will just ask why dumping $250B into the banks, essentially nationalizing huge lending agencies, buying mortgages at face value or even giving tax credits for healthcare is any less socialist. Perhaps because these policies only benefit the wealthy, while Obama's policies benefit the middle class? Isn't this a dangerous thing for McCain to point out, that he is only okay with government control of money when it tends to benefit business and industry, just not if it benefits Joe Six pack? Or, do all of his voters own stock in AIG, or make over $250k a year? And what about the cash we've been handing over to companies like GM on a regular basis?
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
JEEZE...clearly it's time to go to bed. :) *taking ADVANTAGE of the system mentality
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
*their SIBLING'S children and their own
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
GS many of these things are huge generalizations. Not everyone that needs help is a deadbeat just looking for a handout. Do you know that most military members qualify for food stamps? That's how underpaid they are. I qualified. I never chose to take advantage of it, but I could have if I wanted to. What about people who lose their spouses and are left to support the entire family, or even worse people whose siblings die and then they have to take care of their children and their own? There are so many situations and circumstances that do not fit neatly into the whole "taking care of the system" mentality. The problem I have with extreme conservative ideology is that there are no exceptions to the rule. Everyone is lumped into one huge group. Some people really are trying to make their families a success. They take help from the government AND work hard and improve their situations. I don't mean any offense, but it is so hard for me to understand why people don't want to help their fellow man. I will never understand it. It comes off as selfishness to me. Whether it is or not, that's what it feels like.
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