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Michelle Obama on the Tonight Show With Jay Leno

Where the [First] Ladies At? Michelle and Cindy On the Trail

Michelle Obama, with a fresh ink feature in the NYT, dropped by the Tonight Show last night in advance of Obama's 30-minute TV spot airing tomorrow night. She also joined the sisterhood of the traveling pants as it were, being understanding about Palin's current wardrobe conundrum. Michelle said, "A VP pick, it's like being shot out of a cannon. All of a sudden you're at the center of attention, and you want to look good. You're living in your home, minding your business, and all of a sudden you're on the national stage and everyone's watching."

She said her kids were less than thrilled about their Dad's impending TV appearance. Malia said, "'You're going to be on all the TV? Are you going to interrupt my TV?'" Obama assured her he hadn't bought time on Disney or Nickelodeon.

Cindy McCain is blazing up the trail too, recently in Florida with Rudy Giuliani touting her husband's credentials. Cindy said, "We need someone who understands what it means to send young men into combat and bring them home." Hitting hot local breakfast spots, the race car driver and pilot Cindy is shaking hands with the best of them.

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Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
No problem, Mich. I'm too tipsy to know which thread I'm posting on anymore, anyway :drinks:
True-Song True-Song 8 years
I thought at first, actually, that someone had accidentally posted their comment for that over here.
Michelann Michelann 8 years
Jude, maybe we should move this to the thread about high school drop outs? It's basically the same conversation in two threads, which is going to get confusing.
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
Yes, Mich, but (as we've discussed in a similar thread ages ago), children aren't as well-equipped to decide their fates and what freedoms they should enjoy as adults are. I hate to think of the legions of adults who would regret their youthful choice of choosing the freedom to not finish school, later on in life when they realize that not doing so pretty much screwed them over economically. And I hate to think of the legions of adults who might later on realize that their parents' exercise of the right to not send their kids to school only screwed those kids over in the long run.
Michelann Michelann 8 years
TS, I guess it got started based on the fact that people have different definitions of what's a right and what's a privilege. I would agree that education is a right in the same way Free Speech is a right, or in the same way that you have the right to bear arms. You have to seek out a platform for your speech, and nobody from the federal government is going to hand you a firearm (unless you're in the military, of course). So we could call education a right, but to me, that would just mean you're free to seek out an education, and not that the federal government should hand it to you.
True-Song True-Song 8 years
Mich, I don't know what argument she wanted to have. I do think conversations here about rights and privileges frequently derail if all parties aren't working off the same definition. That's all.
liliblu liliblu 8 years
Some of these conversations amaze me.
Michelann Michelann 8 years
Michelann Michelann 8 years
TS, I think Organic tried to have the 'Is education a right or a privileged' when he asked whether you have the 'right' to force somebody to educate you. But nobody wanted to go down that road. We had the debate snowbunny wanted to have.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
Yes, TS, I'm just getting that now. I think perhaps it's just more provocative to say something isn't a "right." It is an interesting discussion though, because Brown v. Board at least seemed to indicate that education is in fact a very important thing for citizens to have access to. Call it what you want, I'm going to go crack a casebook. Ciao!
organicsugr organicsugr 8 years
There's another jump, Snow. I think you need to slow down.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
So, effectively, your view of public education is not different from what we have now. Fabulous....
True-Song True-Song 8 years
Honestly, this is more of a debate about what a right is and what a privilege is as opposed to whether education is a right or a privilege.
organicsugr organicsugr 8 years
You can take a privilege away when someone violates a clause of the agreement, but you can't take a right away (in this country) without due process of law. Think of it like driving a car. You have the privilege of driving the car, until you abuse said privilege. You don't have a right to drive a car.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
That was an invitation for clarification.
Michelann Michelann 8 years
Snowbunny, government grants for the arts are a privilege, and not a right, but we still give those out. Privilege just implies that it can be taken away if necessary.
organicsugr organicsugr 8 years
No. It isn't.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
Uh? If education isn't a right, then isn't that what you're saying?
organicsugr organicsugr 8 years
I haven't said anything about getting rid of public education.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
Which other countries organic? Burkina Faso? They have exams there to weed out kids. They also charge for schooling! It's like a libertarian's wet dream! And it has an adult literacy rate of 25.3%! And a GDP of $1200.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
If you want to argue that social welfare programs shouldn't exist, because you shouldn't have to pay for people "not to work" at least give kids an equal chance to make something of themselves. You can still send your kids to fancy private schools so they have more of an edge over kids sent to inner city schools, but kids should at least have some means provided to them to make something of themselves, to follow the American dream. You'd be leaving kids growing up in poverty even more likely to remain in that circle of poverty by taking away any chance they have of getting out of it on their own merits. And I love that what was perceived as a personal attack from me, was turned into two people personally attacking me. If you don't care for personal attacks, then why in the world would you attack me? And yes, I am sorry for that comment, but organic, it is clear that if you don't support education for poor people, then you don't care very much about them. You should at least own that. And also, the rhetoric I used to describe that attitude, a pride in our country, it's a very relevant thing to me as well. It would be a ridiculous blow to my own pride to be living in the only first world nation not to have a population that is literate and educated. I have a great deal of "f*ck yeah!" pride in my country as well, and it would simply be an embarrassment to see America fail so poorly.
organicsugr organicsugr 8 years
"Organic- seriously, you want America to be the only first world, industrialized, powerful nation that does not have compulsory education for children?" I find this to be pretty amusing. The bandwagon argument is a dangerous one. Education is obviously a privilege, and it should be treated as such. One of the issues with children in the public schools right now is that it is treated as a burden, because it is. In other countries, they have tests which weed out students who aren't committed to the rigorous program. Do these other "first world, industrialized" nations see this as a right? Obviously not.
Michelann Michelann 8 years
"but at the very least, can you be appealed to on the "f*ck yeah! Amurrica is a great nation!" level?" I'm glad our school system has educated you well enough for you to know that the best way to appeal to somebody is to treat them like an idiot.
organicsugr organicsugr 8 years
Yeah, it's because I don't care about poor people that I don't think education is a right. I think what you're referring to is a right to exact a constraint on someone else. I would be careful with the word. I'm glad to see our government resocialization program has given you such spectacular manners.
Michelann Michelann 8 years
Also, Bridget is only 17, so she's probably still in high school. I think it's probably better for the family that they're not so over-exposed.
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