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Obama Shifts, Says He May Back Offshore Drilling

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Real Slick? Obama Shifts, Says He May Back Offshore Drilling Barack Obama said Friday he would be willing to support limited additional offshore oil drilling if that's what it takes to enact a comprehensive policy to foster fuel-efficient autos and develop alternate energy sources. Shifting from his previous opposition to expanded offshore drilling, the Illinois senator told a Florida newspaper he could get behind a compromise with Republicans and oil companies to prevent gridlock over energy.

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Cassandra57 Cassandra57 9 years
Of course, as soon as I hit "send", I thought of another example of problems with developing technology. We were watching the Formula 1 race this weekend, and the commentators were discussing the series' attempts to develop greener technologies. One thing they're working on for possible implementation next year is what they call "KERS"--a Kinetic Energy Recovery System. The point is to recover heat generated by the car and convert it to additional power. Apparently they have been having problems with the batteries that store the energy. There was mention of one of the facilities being evacuated due to a "runaway thermal" situation. (I *presume* that's bureaucrat-speak for a big fire.) Realize, these are absolutely top-line engineers. F1 makes NASCAR look like dog races. (Not that I'm biased, as a fan....) Point being, it will take even longer to develop good, viable alternative energy sources than it will to see the results of additional drilling. We should do both, with the eventual goal of weaning ourselves off oil as much as possible, but minimizing damage to the economy in the meantime.
Cassandra57 Cassandra57 9 years
If I may presume to return to the topic.... I won't fault anyone whose change in position is demonstrably a result of either changing conditions or an evolution in thinking. IMO a "flip flop" is a sudden and drastic change of opinion with no logical train of thought causing the change. Why oh why do so many people--mostly, but not entirely, liberals--seem to think we must choose between developing more oil sources, and developing alternative fuels? I have heard very few people propose drilling now, for our immediate needs, and *also* developing other technologies. Precipitous government action usually does not lead to good results. Remember what happened with the last brainstorm, corn-based ethanol? Rapidly escalating food prices, particularly in poorer parts of the world. (Remember the impact to the cost of tortillas in Mexico?) Therefore, I think R&D into altermatives should be conducted at a steady and methodical pace.
Jillness Jillness 9 years
Exactly, torg. My point was that having 50 members in congress doesn't give you the ability to get what ever you want, and start pushing your unique agenda through.
True-Song True-Song 9 years
I meant you can't count on anyone to vote with their party 100% of the time, but since the topic was the democrats compromising, I just referred to them.
UnDave35 UnDave35 9 years
Yeah, you can't trust any democrat to vote the right way anymore. It's great that the republicans know how to get into step with each other. (sarcasm on the last sentence.)
True-Song True-Song 9 years
>That still only gives them 51 when he is feeling sane. And if every single democrat agrees. You can't rely on every single one to vote the same way every time.
Jillness Jillness 9 years
"This not about a compromise when the Democrats are in the majority can can pass legislation without such measures." Have you looked at the Senate recently? There are 50 dems to 49 Republicans. Liebermann is an independant. That still only gives them 51 when he is feeling sane. Regardless, Democrats to do not have a veto proof majority. If they want to pass legislation that will not only make it through the Senate, but that won't be thrown away by the President, they have to compromise.
UnDave35 UnDave35 9 years
Thanks TS :) Good morning everyone :wave:
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 9 years
Goodness this thread got a little nasty. :drinks:
organicsugr organicsugr 9 years
Right again Stephley. What a non sequitur.
stephley stephley 9 years
I said why don't you personal message me with questions that don't have anything to do with offshore drilling. That's my answer.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 9 years
No answer?
stephley stephley 9 years
Whatever makes you happy.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 9 years
And, what I wrote isn't a personal attack. They are valid questions in my trying to understand how there are exceptions.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 9 years
Sheesh
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 9 years
I'd say it is as relevant as making fun of an old person.
Lady-Boleyn Lady-Boleyn 9 years
GS- Send some of that gas my way ;)
stephley stephley 9 years
GS, your questions apply to offshore drilling how? Why don't you personal message me with off-subject topics?
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 9 years
And, here in TX we are at $3.65
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 9 years
"Not to mention obviously oil companies don't have to pay for oil, because they're oil companies and oil companies make oil, right?" Wow.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 9 years
Steph, in another post you talk about how you always aim to be compassionate, yet you practice ageism almost weekly on this site. What is the difference between ageism, sexism and racism? Wouldn't all who practice attacks on these groups be bigots? Or is it only when it fits into our political thinking?
organicsugr organicsugr 9 years
Stephley is right. No way would we see lower prices at the pump. Oil companies don't care if the demand for their product diminishes because they don't mind losing money to gouge the little guy. Not to mention obviously oil companies don't have to pay for oil, because they're oil companies and oil companies make oil, right? I think that's a good idea, to threaten corporations with a windfall profit tax so that we can make them develop sources of energy like ethanol. We definitely need more subsidies for ethanol.
Community-Manager Community-Manager 9 years
UnDave, I can view your see all friends fine, just click here. Please send me a pm if you are still having problems and let me know what internet browser you are using to view the site as well. Thanks!
stephley stephley 9 years
I doubt lowering the profit tax on oil companies would affect the price at the pump either. They don't share. One reason I think we need to get away from oil asap is that with Russia, China, Venezuela and other countries changing the game on oil companies, this may be the beginning of the end of the best of times for the companies. Robert Reich suggests a temporary windfall profits tax, but allowing companies some exemptions to allow companies to invest in researching and developing alternatives (that's a gross over-simplification but I think you get the idea). I think we need to stay away from thinking we can use oil company profits for too much of anything.
Michelann Michelann 9 years
Stephley and Undave, perhaps a viable solution would be to LOWER the profit tax on oil companies?
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