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Obama Unleashes at Dem's Retreat — Productive or Partisan?

Obama Unleashes at Dem's Retreat — Productive or Partisan?

At the Democrats retreat last night, President Obama sounded more like candidate Obama using tough language to repudiate his Republican critics and fire up the Democratic majority.

Calling his opposition's ideas "tired" and "worn," Obama maintained that Americans had voted against false theories of the past. And he asked Republicans rhetorically: "What do you think a stimulus is? It’s spending — that's the whole point! Seriously.” But some of his strongest language came for his predecessor George W. Bush, when he said:

When they say, "Well, why are we spending $800 billion [when] we’ve got this huge deficit?" – first of all, I found this deficit when I showed up, No. 1. I found this national debt, doubled, wrapped in a big bow waiting for me as I stepped into the Oval Office.

Do you think Obama's new found fighting spirit will help get the US economy back on track?

daijoubo daijoubo 8 years
why do people in The U.S keep on calling Obama the first black president.hes not blach hes a Mullato.i blame my parents for bringing me here.id rather get killed by communists that live in a country that has a little too much freedom.since im under 18 i cant do anything about.
piper23 piper23 8 years
"They don't have the cream of the crop now, so what's the difference?" I thought that would be obvious. The government used our taxpayer money to bailout these banks. Part of their whacked out reasoning for doing so was that these banks would be able to pay them, aka - us, back and then some. But if the banks do not have quality people working for them, then the government won't get a return on their investment. Actually that would be our investment since they are playing fast and loose with our money. I just heard that the stimulus passed. Oh happy day.
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
It is pointless to go on and on about this so called "stimulus" It has very limitted popularity and it is losing popularity rapidly. people know this isn't the stimulus that Obama promised. To keep arguing that it is the right bill is ridiculous. And trying to ostracize the other side to get people to agree with you isn't working. Please save us all of the propaganda Obama, give us the truth and real facts like you promised. Stop trying to rush this bill through so the public doesn't see all the pork barrel spending that is in it. You promised to slow down the speed of government so that people had the opportunity to see what you are all doing up on capital hill. Please stay true to that promise. Just because the public doesn't like your idea, please don't go back on your promise. If you can actually lay forth a bill that doesn't pander to the special interests every democrat has made a promise to, you might actually get some support. Here is the republican idea, cut the pork.... change would be no earmarks, Mr Obama. Now that you are in office, you can't make statements like "have you ever seen a bill this large go out with no earmarks?" I don't care about the past, you promised change, not the same.
organicsugr organicsugr 8 years
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organicsugr organicsugr 8 years
Haus, if you've got something to say to me, why don't you just come out and say it?
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
i encourage everyone to use their critical thinking skills and do their own research! depending on others to show you something you clearly have no intention of seeing is a childish, asininine tactic.
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
what is flying into that fan?
amybdk amybdk 8 years
liliblu liliblu 8 years
Federal government spending increased by about 70% during Reagan's two terms. So, while Reagan may have talked a good game about cutting government spending, he didn't actually practice it.
genesisrocks genesisrocks 8 years
"Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Reagan triple the national debt." As far as I know that's true lil. And I wasn't saying Democrats ideas are right and Republicans are always wrong. I was saying that you can't get out of trouble doing the same thing that got you into it in the first place.
liliblu liliblu 8 years
"As for the hackneyed Republican policies that don't work - have any liberals looked into what Reagan did with the holy mess he inherited from Carter? There's one example where conservative fiscal policies worked." Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Reagan triple the national debt.
genesisrocks genesisrocks 8 years
How is it false? Wasn't a Republican president for 8 years? Wasn't Congress mostly Republican for 6 of those years? If it were Democrats who were in charge all those years I wouldn't be happy if they wanted to use the same policies they were using when we got into this mess.
liliblu liliblu 8 years
"By let the market correc itself - I mean the housing market and the stock market. In my region, housing prices went up by more than 300% in 5 years. Now people are trying to figure out how to keep the prices elevated.. but that means making the average home about 52 times the median salary. Prices will drop. They have to. I don't see any value in throwing money at an eventuality. Running up debt will only hurt us in the end - it will not help the problem. " I know I'm getting off topic. I work with realtors, lenders, buyers, and sellers. I have to deal with various banks in regards to short sales and foreclosures. The housing problems we are seeing now are not going to end any time soon. Housing prices may drop, but not by as much as people are hoping for. The banks will just hold on to them. They are doing that now. There is a huge inventory of homes but there is a shortage of qualified buyers. Banks that were giving away money like candy are approving fewer and fewer buyers for much smaller amounts. While this happens states are losing revenue (recodation taxes) because of the slowing of the housing market. The decrease in property values also hurts the states revenue. When that happens schools, the police force, fire fighters, and all other government services suffer. The housing crisis needs to be addressed not only to help families stay in their homes but to keep communities alive.
kranky kranky 8 years
OK, signing off now. Anyone feel free to pm me if you want to give me an answer to my question or tell me why my thinking is off-base. 'night everyone-
kranky kranky 8 years
genesis- Saying that Republican policies got us into the current situation is completely and utterly false AND doing a disservice to the nation. I understand that people hated Bush. Fine. But not considering a conservative approach ot the fiscal situation is akin to not looking at all the options for treating a medical disease. As for the hackneyed Republican policies that don't work - have any liberals looked into what Reagan did with the holy mess he inherited from Carter? There's one example where conservative fiscal policies worked. In reality. I am still waiting for an example of when big government spending on infrastructure helped in a recession.
genesisrocks genesisrocks 8 years
Ok anyone who say Obama's being partisan? So what? He gave the Republicans a chance to come up with a solution and all they did was come up with the same stuff that got us into this mess. If Republicans want to play hardball so can he because he's the president and Congress is mostly Democrats. If Republicans choose not to negotiate guess who's going to win.
kranky kranky 8 years
steph- I'm sorry I upset your stomach - that was certainly not the intention. By let the market correc itself - I mean the housing market and the stock market. In my region, housing prices went up by more than 300% in 5 years. Now people are trying to figure out how to keep the prices elevated.. but that means making the average home about 52 times the median salary. Prices will drop. They have to. I don't see any value in throwing money at an eventuality. Running up debt will only hurt us in the end - it will not help the problem. As for feeidng and housing the unemployed - we are already doing that. This is not Depression Redeux. Those programs are in place. I agree that we may have to put more money into the existing programs in the short term, but why invent new ways to help the disenfrachised? It's a waste of money. There are companies that are actually doing well out there. They need to be given space to grow and hire more people. In time, the situation will correct itself given the freedom to do so. Do I need to explain why I don't like Unions and why we should push international trade? This post is getting long winded.
stephley stephley 8 years
They don't have the cream of the crop now, so what's the difference? You're right Lilblu, there's nothing here.
kranky kranky 8 years
lil- You are right, those ideas have been pushed for years. That doesn't mean they've been implemented. They haven't, so how can you say they failed? So - anyone have an example of a nation spending its way out of a recession yet?
piper23 piper23 8 years
Thanks for the NO tips, kranky! I didn't get to comment on the bailout banks but I'll just add my two cents even though its been covered. If a bank takes a bailout, then they should have to account for the money. The fact that this clause was thrown in after the fact is comical. But any bank that accepted bailout money from the government should be held to the same restrictions as a welfare recipient. Not that those restrictions are all that stringent. Actually I think welfare accountability is a joke for the most part. That being said, the bailout banks should have to account as much and as little as your average welfare recipient. If they put restrictions on the pay, they won't pull in the cream of the crop as far as employees go but if it is a stipulation of the bailout then I have no problem with it.
stephley stephley 8 years
"Back off, let the market correct itself. Stop giving Unions power, encourage international trade. And yes - corporate tax cuts." That's your proposal for this economic situation? What does let the market correct itself mean? Banks are basically bankrupt. We're nearing double digit unemployment. People are losing their homes in record numbers. How long do we wait for the market to correct itself? Who feeds, clothes and houses the unemployed while we wait for the correction? Encourage international trade? Do you realize that the economic crisis is pretty much a global deal? Not many countries are shopping right now. Stop giving unions power - what unions caused the current economic crisis? Honestly, my stomach lurched when I saw your answer Kranky. I feel like Alice in Wonderland talking to the Mad Hatter.
liliblu liliblu 8 years
"Back off, let the market correct itself. Stop giving Unions power, encourage international trade. And yes - corporate tax cuts. I think they would give the stock market some confidence and throw a bone to those evil corporations that are bleeding employees because they can't afford to pay them anymore." These are not new ideas. This is what has been pushed by republicans for years and yet here we are.
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 8 years
these comments are certainly entertaining. My hot water heater broke last night, should i call Bush and ask him why? and I implore my fellow republicans to not stoop and start listing things for others amusements , its a waste of time.
kranky kranky 8 years
Since I have provided some ideas NOT having to do with tax cuts, maybe the other side can give an example of when spending on infrastructure actually got a nation out of tough financial times?
Carrie-Sue Carrie-Sue 8 years
To even sarcastically refer to this guy as "the messiah" is pretty offensive to me.
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