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Is Osama bin Laden Winning?

It's a dicey question, but consider this: a military superpower engages a desperate and religiously motivated army in a remote desert nation. They spend years attempting to crush this insurgency only to be driven into economic ruin. Does it sound familiar? It happened to the Soviet Union after facing the CIA-backed mujahideen fighters and Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan in the 1980s. The question America perhaps should be asking itself is: Are we next?

On September 11th, 2001 America faced the worst terrorist attack in its history — but the stated target of al Qaeda that day wasn’t America’s military might, it was the economy itself. Osama bin Laden declared in December 2001, “If their [the American] economy is destroyed, they will be busy with their own affairs rather than enslaving weak peoples. It is very important to concentrate on hitting the US economy through all possible means.” I hate to wonder, but has bin Laden achieved that goal?

Here's why one might think so: according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics the second quarter of 2008 saw nearly 300,000 workers get laid off as the national unemployment rate reached a two year high of five percent (seven percent in California and Ohio). The total outstanding public debt is 9.5 trillion dollars and the Dow Jones Industrial Average, which stated in its second quarter report is “suffering a malaise not seen since the Carter Administration, the US Stock market staggered by accelerating inflation and a stagnant economy."

Of course, the US is facing more challenges than just these. To see how those could point to a bin Laden victory,

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The housing crisis and rising fuel costs are a huge part of America's economic woes — but no one in their right mind would blame bin Laden for those problems, right? Though, if the US wasn't spending $720 million dollars per day and driving the debt to unprecedented highs, would the value of the US dollar still be so weak?

Regardless of your opinion of the war in Iraq or in Afghanistan, do you think Osama bin Laden is achieving his stated objective from his November 2004 videotape: “We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy." Or will the economy rebound enough to pay for the war and the deficit?

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MD-Free MD-Free 8 years
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
:rotfl: I Love it! :drinks:
MD-Free MD-Free 8 years
OK, I know I am gonna crash this party, I will try to hold back.... If I write something intelligent you will not believe the truth so whether I write the truth or put this on it will be funny... If this video doesn't make the comment list I'll just drop some hard facts!
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
You're welcome to sing. A songbird in a kissing booth is always a good thing.
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
By the way, this party sounds like it's going to be rockin'.
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
Can I still sing, though?
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
If Jude's getting hammered, then I'm getting her to the booth! ;)
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
I'll get hammered and provide unintentional entertainment for all, probably including but not limited to at least one karaoke-ing of a Bon Jovi or Pat Benatar song.
amybdk amybdk 8 years
I will drink, enjoy the decor, and will be sure to stop by Dave's booth. HOT! :wink:
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
I'll set up the kissing booth! ;)
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
I'll decorate!
harmonyfrance harmonyfrance 8 years
I HATE that man. Will someone just shoot him please. Just do it. The world will thank you. I'll serve the drinks and Cab can be in charge of the cupcakes.
hypnoticmix hypnoticmix 8 years
Sure he's achieving his objective. bin Laden knew how America would respond and has used that to his advantage every step of the way so if you think about it he's almost always one step ahead of us.
popgoestheworld popgoestheworld 8 years
Osama has been hiding in the US as a real-estate investor in disguise. He convinced millions of Americans to enter into stupid mortgages they couldn't afford and then laughed as they defaulted. Yep, I'd say he's winning. Or not. Sorry, but this is too absurd to even consider.
Michelann Michelann 8 years
I agree that bin Laden isn't responsible for the U.S. economic troubles. However, I think 'not sustainable' is a pretty good (although broad) explanation for the collapse of the Soviet Union. Most other reasons given would probably fall under that umbrella.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
"It might be as strong as it was in Pakistan and Afghanistan, but it is contained." They over threw a US outpost in Afghanistan, and freed hundreds of prisoners with an organized attack on a prison. IMO, I don't think they are being contained half as much as necessary. I don't think that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs would agree that the situation was "precarious and urgent" if they were contained.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
"There are too many competing reasons to blame for current economic problems to hand bin Laden any victories." agreed.
stephley stephley 8 years
That for every five people you ask, 5 different reasons are given. Your 'not sustainable' would just be one of 5 in terms of the Soviet Union. There are too many competing reasons to blame for current economic problems to hand bin Laden any victories.
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
No, of course not :) They're just much more out in the open now. which in itself is distressing.
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
Oh, Ok. I was thinking maybe I had missed something. :) I don't think there was a connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda, but that doesn't mean they were non-existent before we removed Hussein.
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
I wasn't talking just about recent news, Dave. My point was that, considering that the U.S. military released a study showing that there was no connection between Saddam Hussein's Iraq and Al Qaeda, and the fact that Al Qaeda is now a strong presence in Iraq, doesn't really look so good. I don't think the terrorists are winning the War on Terror. They're just not going down easily.
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
When did the violence in Iraq increase? I haven't been listening to the news, as I have been watching the olympics, little league world series, and working. I'd like to be watching my star trek, but that isn't on at a convenient time, and I don't have Tivo (yet). Also, putting up a good fight doesn't mean they are winning, or a resurgence is happening. The big picture is this became a problem (that we ignored) in 1993 with the first world trade cented bombing. Since that time, we were the victims of several terrorist attacks abroad. They've been fighting us for almost 16 years, and we entered the game 8 years late.
Jude-C Jude-C 8 years
Considering that Al Qaeda and terrorist violence also now flourish in Iraq, I'd say that, sadly, terrorism is putting up a big fight in the War on Terror.
Michelann Michelann 8 years
What point?
jenintx jenintx 8 years
* While it may not be the sole reason our economy has turned into a recession, it may have played a small part* i should learn to proofread.
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