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Are Republicans Who Don't Vote For McCain Traitors?

Are Republicans Who Don't Vote For McCain Traitors?

We (pronoun applied royally if you wish) have been wrestling with the concept of Republicans and known Conservatives turning away from McCain all week. Buckley, one of the more famous cases of the phenomenon, appeared on Hardball talking about his decision to go Obama and then quit the National Review. He told Matthews he was surprised by the ouster of sorts saying, "Be careful who you offer your resignation to, they may just accept it."

Then New York magazine posted this list entitled, "Et Tu, GOP? The Conservative Betrayal Spectrum." Using Julius Caesar imagery this top 10 list of Republican "Brutuses," the countdown includes [my] David Brooks, Peggy Noonan (the whole reason I went to grad school) and winds up at #1: Andrew Sullivan. Of his "betrayal," they say:

OK, OK, everybody knows Andrew Sullivan basically wants to be reincarnated as a beagle in the sinewy lap of Barack Obama, nestled comfortably under the Resolute Desk for the next eight years. But still, there was a time this dude had carved out his own steady brand of Republicanism — a maverick version, if you will. Remember when those were the people who were supposed to like McCain?


So is all the "traitor" and "betrayal" talk accurate?


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kh61582 kh61582 8 years
I would put it a different way. If you claim to be a Republican then you couldn't possibly vote for Obama. I'm a proud Republican and McCain was not my first choice out of the candidates in the primaries. He's not a die hard conservative. Gov Palin is and McCain choosing her has made me much more comfortable voting for McCain. I believe this election is not about choosing who is the best but about making sure we keep out the worst and that's Barack Obama. He wants to ruin this country just to be fair to every other country that isn't as great as we are and that I will not stand for.
hope2be hope2be 8 years
Of course not. This is like asking if a democrat doesn't vote for Obama..does it make him/her a traitor? :D
hyzenthlay20 hyzenthlay20 8 years
Wow, I have *never* seen such a blow out vote on sugar!
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
Fuzzy Wuzzy was a bear.
organicsugr organicsugr 8 years
I don't think that a republican who doesn't vote for McCain is a traitor, but I think McCain is a traitor for not being a republican.
kastarte2 kastarte2 8 years
What has Coulter been saying lately? In the primaries she said that she would vote for HRC over McCain. I bet she isn't voting for Obama!
PiNkY-PiNk PiNkY-PiNk 8 years
lilimbo, I agree with you that a person should vote based on their ideals and beliefs. and I really see what you're saying about a conservative not liking mccain but much less obama. I'm voting for obama because I really do believe that he's the change we so desperately need. but to answer the question, I don't think they're traitors if they vote outside their party, or vice versa for democrats who don't vote for obama.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
Lil- when I chose not to vote in 2004, I lived in NY (and I was switching from Independent to Dem at that time). So yeah, I guess it's harder to tell someone just not to vote in a battleground state!
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
#53 was in reference to #51 And you're so right, suga. I have heard the same thing. For me, it comes down to the fact that, while I don't think McCain is the right choice to lead our country, I think Obama is a worse choice. And, I vote in a battleground state (Ohio), so I don't feel comfortable not voting or voting for a third party candidate. If I voted in DC or somewhere else that is pretty much guaranteed to go to one side or the other, I would vote for Barr.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
Then these people should vote for Barr or the Constitutional party candidate. No matter how much a true conservative/Republican disagrees with McCain, he or she should disagree with Obama ten times as much!
Sugasuga29 Sugasuga29 8 years
You're so right, lilkimbo. During these past several months I have heard democrats say that Obama is too liberal for them to be happy with him, and I've heard conservatives say the same of McCain. It has left some people in the lurch, with nobody they're dying to vote for.
ceej ceej 8 years
maybe it's a vote against McCain not a vote for Obama.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
Suga, I can definitely see a true Republican/conservative not voting for McCain. What a don't see is a true Republican/conservative voting for Obama. It just doesn't make sense to me.
Sugasuga29 Sugasuga29 8 years
I come from a long line of conservatives...more like libertarian/conservative...and nobody in my family likes John McCain. To hear my dad talk (and boy, does he ever talk), John McCain is the biggest disappointment to the Republican party imaginable. But he'll vote for McCain just because he thinks Obama's worse...? I'm tempted to write Alan Keyes' name on the ballot!
ceej ceej 8 years
I think the Palin factor comes heavily into play here, after the initial impact of her selection her run has gone downhill. She may still be very popular in the bible belt. (There's a frightening Al Jazeera piece from Ohio with mind boggling interviews you should check out) The choice of an inadequate running mate has done him much damage and I wonder if it was his decision?
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 8 years
mariner, Isnt it just so funny?
MarinerMandy MarinerMandy 8 years
CG, your avatar cracked me up! Jessie, I think you are underestimating how much many conservatives dislike Obama's positions. And when you vote based on your beliefs you may end up voting for a candidate you don't completely like (for me that was def. Kerry in '04!!!) because their views are more in line with yours. Many, many conservatives who aren't huge on McCain are voting for him because they still feel he'll be better for the country than Obama. It's not an obvious choice at all.
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
I voted for the democratic representative from IN from 88 until I moved away, because he was that good. I would also vote for him if he ever decides to gor for the Presidency. Unfortunately, he isn't far enough left to get the democratic nomination.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
I remember now why I haven't been commenting much lately.
Jessiebanana Jessiebanana 8 years
"And if Bush was running against Obama, I would either not vote or cast a vote for Bush." "IF was was Bush or Obama....Bush again for me." Now THAT is the scariest thing I have ever heard...
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
If Obama wanted to run against Bush he should have done it 4 years ago ;) loved that quote!
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 8 years
IF was was Bush or Obama....Bush again for me.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
Oh, and to amend #38, I might vote for Barr or a third party candidate in that hypothetical. But, I would not vote for Obama. I might consider voting for a more moderate Democrat.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
Mydiadem, I definitely see what you're saying in regards to actual official registration, but in regards to how one identifies oneself, I think you can't honestly identify as a Republican (again, not talking about how you are registered) and be voting for Obama. Just as you can't honestly identify as a Democrat and be voting for McCain. It just doesn't make sense.
lilkimbo lilkimbo 8 years
But, your political values and beliefs are based on what you think would bring our country the most good. So, your values and beliefs should dictate your decision. And if Bush was running against Obama, I would either not vote or cast a vote for Bush. The answer is obvious to me, but I'm guessing that's not the answer you thought I would have.
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