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Senate Votes to Block Iraq Funding

Senate Votes to Block Iraq Funding. Strategic or Outrageous?

Yesterday the Senate led by Democratic Senator Harry Reid, voted to advance a bill withdrawing funding to the war in Iraq.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced that "a civil war rages" in Iraq and it's cost shouldn't be the responsibility of U.S. taxpayers.

"Americans need to start taking care of Americans. We cannot spend a half billion dollars every day in Iraq."

Where were the Republicans in this debate? That's where it gets. . . politicky. Though Republicans were expected to block the bill as they've done in the past, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell decided his party was joining in and voting with the Democrats — but for a different reason. McConnell said passing the bill past this hurdle will allow discussion on the,

"extraordinary progress that's been made in Iraq over the last six months, not only on the military side, but also with civilian reconciliation beginning to finally take hold in the country."

Is this a wise maneuver or does playing politics with the war hit too close to home?

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hausfrau hausfrau 9 years
tres - don't you think that mccain is more qualified to deal with it because of his service than obama? i know you're an obama supporter, but i don't think he's willing to budge any more than mccain would, unless he puts his 16 month withdrawal plan into action and it goes horrible awry... which in my opinion it would. :)
beachykeen beachykeen 9 years
I do not think that they should cut funding for the troops I have alot of family over their and it is not fair to them to get the bad end of the stick and not have supplies and other things that they need so that congress can say that they tried.
trésjolie1 trésjolie1 9 years
I'm agreeing with Cabaker and cine_! :o But when is enough enough? At the end of the day, what should keep us in Iraq, that didn't keep us in Vietnam? I don't think holding back money is they way to go, the military need all it can get right now. But on the long term, I hope we can get together and work out a solution with and for both sides, but I have to say; I don't think McCain is going to listen to anyone. Is Obama going to listen? I can't see the future, so I don't know. But whoever gets the White House I hope they will make decisions for the whole country, and not just those who elected them.
cine_lover cine_lover 9 years
ME too Cabaker. This is something I am really intrigued by.
hausfrau hausfrau 9 years
I would be really interested to see what the break down is of what % of money goes to the troops and what % goes to the contractors...
Jude-C Jude-C 9 years
Instead of withdrawing funds that are needed to protect the lives (and limbs) of the troops already over there, perhaps they should consider using the word "withdrawal" in a different context.
hausfrau hausfrau 9 years
I never thought about it much either until he said that. I thought I heard something recently though that they just passed something that would hold the contractors more accountable for efficiency and money. I hope thats true! Back in October they passed a bill saying contractors would be held accountable for deaths (in the wake of Blackwater). And thats good if there isn't excess frivolous litigation, but what about for just doing a good job or making sure the money is being spent right? I bet if we could do that we could cut the war cost by 20-40% easily.
mandy_frost mandy_frost 9 years
Here is the thing. I am a staunch Democrat, and I think stopping this war is necessary. HOWEVER, in the past, there have been stories about US soldiers who are harmed or killed because of improper body armor. Though I am entirely against it and want it to end, it is a war, and I do not want the troops to be stuck over there without proper defense gear.
cine_lover cine_lover 9 years
Just wondering Cabaker. I had never really thought much about the contractors, now I am really curious about what effect or is affect, I never get that right, is having on the cost of the war.
gooniette gooniette 9 years
I believe that discussion and a healthy debate is always a good thing. Whether that's going to happen in Congress is another story. It's definitely not going to happen in the White House.
Cadet Cadet 9 years
"Last, the reason the Reublicans are letting this go forward, I believe, is just as I said before: This is a just a political stunt by the Democrats that even if they are able to get through Congress, they know will be vetoed at the White House, so the Republicans have nothing to loose, but can really showed what the military has gained." mymellowman, I agree. The media is too in love with any kind of negative press. The American people could use some positive information. There's two sides to Iraq and a lot of people choose to only see what is portrayed in the news and endorsed by celebrities. "I think one of the biggest mistakes we did going into the war was to kick the UN out on their butts because they didn't agree with us on our rushed decision to go to war." tresjolie, I agree 100% If we want to get anything done, we need support, not more distaste for America. Now I don't feel the need to blabber. :)
hausfrau hausfrau 9 years
Personally, I've always held the idea that the best way to end the war and all terrorism is to flood the Middle East with Americanism. I'm talking about a Starbucks on every corner! McDonalds as far as the eye can see! Wal Marts in every town! Once they get a taste of a 4 dollar latte and the crisp feeling of Levis... it's all over!
hausfrau hausfrau 9 years
M3 - too funny! guess you never lived near the big dig huh?? :) Cine - I don't have any articles about the contractors, I take that from semi-personal experience. My hubby was in Iraq last summer and when I asked him when he came back in Sept what he thought the best thing we could do with Iraq was he said Get rid of the contractors! And then began to tell me story after story after story about wasted money, lazy and rude people, and faulty service.
MarinerMandy MarinerMandy 9 years
I've never agreed with the war, but the fact remains that we are in Iraq and I think it would be disasterous to give up now. We have an obligation to stay and make the situation better. It would be nice if everyone could just get together and work something out productively, but I'm not holding my breath.
Cassandra57 Cassandra57 9 years
Smart move for the Republicans to *not* block debate. If you think someone is seriously in error, the best way to find out is to let them speak. Whether you support our presence in Iraq or not, it's just selfish and heartless to pull out without trying to resolve the situation. IMO that does not speak well of anyone supporting a rapid exit.
mymellowman mymellowman 9 years
Contractors ripping someone off? Particularly contractors working for the state not meeting deadlines and causing projects to go over budget for long lengths of time? I've never heard of such a thing in my life! :)
cine_lover cine_lover 9 years
Hey Cabaker, do you have any links to articles about the contractors?
trésjolie1 trésjolie1 9 years
Interesting suggestion cabaker.
trésjolie1 trésjolie1 9 years
it's a *tough* situation. a little early still. I agree that the media have overlooked the progress, or development at all, of Iraq in these campaign months especially.
hausfrau hausfrau 9 years
If you don't want to spend as much money in Iraq, here's a thought.... set benchmarks for the contractors and if they don't make the benchmarks, replace them with someone who will. This war is so expensive because the contractors are ripping us off. They have no one to answer to. This is a problem.
trésjolie1 trésjolie1 9 years
I'm inclined to agree that we don't know enough about the situation in Iraq presently. But it's hard to see whether the surge is a tactical victory, or a progress we can sustain and develop further with the Iraqi Government as the main provider of stability. The surge was always a short term plan, and is impossible for us to continue or escalate without issuing a draft, not to speak of the economic difficulties it would present. Our allies in both Iraq and Afghanistan are pulling out because of these 6 and 7 years have failed to ensure that their efforts are creating a safer middle east for both their and our populations. Maybe for them this surge is a little too late, and they aren't giving more lives for short term results without a promise that Iraq will become a self reliant state, not just in Baghdad and the central areas; but also in the north and the south, as well for all ethnic and religious groups involved. It's a though situation, no matter how you slice the pie. More than just military maneuvers I would ask for a plan for restoring schools, roads, jobs, housing, law enforcement, hospitals and so on, with the help and expertise of the UN. I think one of the biggest mistakes we did going into the war was to kick the UN out on their butts because they didn't agree with us on our rushed decision to go to war. I'll probably get my ears full now. Ok, let have it! :scared:
cine_lover cine_lover 9 years
"Over the past months, after the increase in troops to the requested number, there have been serious accomplishments in Iraq that have been covered less in the news than the more tragic events earlier on." I wonder why this is :ponder:
hausfrau hausfrau 9 years
Tres - You know! Out with it! :)
hausfrau hausfrau 9 years
There is no civil war in Iraq. There never has been. Both Gen. Petraeus and USMC Commadant Conway say there is no civil war. I'm more inclined to believe them than someone sitting in a cushy chair in DC. The Dems are just doing this to get try to get the "civil war" idea back out there and on the front page again... When was the last time you saw something about Iraq on the front page? Not for a while because the surge is working and everything is going pretty well.
lcterp lcterp 9 years
I agree with mymellow. Even if this was passed, it would be vetoed and wouldn't go anywhere. I'm also not sure that cutting funding to Iraq is the best solution. While it is a strain to keep pouring money into Iraq we can't just financially pull out and leave their nation in disarray as well as leaving our own high and dry without funds. Oy.
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