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Should Spain Move Forward With Indicting the "Bush Six?"

Should Spain Move Forward With Indicting the "Bush Six?"

Top officials from the Bush administration might not want to travel to Spain any time soon.

A high-level Spanish court has moved toward indicting six former officials, including former Attorney General Roberto Gonzales, for authorizing the torture of five Spanish citizens at Guantanamo Bay prison.

Every country has a right to enforce international law, and this case involves the alleged torture of Spanish citizens. In fact, countries party to 1984 Convention Against Torture (which includes the US and Spain) are obliged to investigate torture cases, especially when a citizen has been abused.

Still, some say the Spanish court is intruding into American affairs. What do you think?


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samji samji 7 years
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Grandpa Grandpa 7 years
I am really not fluent in gibberish could you translate please: Even the UN might come into the picture. Now for all you Bush supporters it is time that you really that you are supporting a criminal and a war criminal at that. Furniture Packs Spain
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 8 years
^ rolls eyes
Namvetarmy70 Namvetarmy70 8 years
George W. Bush and his fellow conspirators need to take note that they have Spain looking to possible indict them, Japan is looking into it and lawyers in Canada are forcing the Canadian government to consider it. That is three countries so far. Soon either the United States must either start an investigation of it's own or it may start to look as though it thinks that it is above all laws while the rest of the world must abide by the laws. Even the UN might come into the picture. Now for all you Bush supporters it is time that you really that you are supporting a criminal and a war criminal at that. One that is just as bad as any other war criminal in the 20th and the 21first centuries. The reason Obama has not done anything is because he is waiting to see if it is going to be possible for him to continue alone the same line that Bush was going without fear. If Bush and his fellow conspirators are not investigated and indicted for their crimes than there is no doubt in my mind Obama will continue Bush's policies.
stephley stephley 8 years
Spain has a right to prosecute - and the U.S. showed how last year: MIAMI (AP) -- U.S. prosecutors want a Miami judge to sentence the son of former Liberian President Charles Taylor to 147 years in prison for torturing people when he was chief of a brutal paramilitary unit during his father's reign. Charles McArthur Emmanuel, also known as Charles "Chuckie" Taylor Jr. is scheduled to be sentenced Jan. 9 by U.S. District Judge Cecilia M. Altonaga. His conviction was the first use of a 1994 law allowing prosecution in the U.S. for acts of torture committed overseas. YOU'VE GOT TO LOVE THIS PART OF THE ARTICLE: "A recent Justice Department court filing describes torture -which the U.S. has been accused of in the war on terror - as a "flagrant and pernicious abuse of power and authority" that warrants severe punishment of Taylor. "It undermines respect for and trust in authority, government and a rule of law," wrote Assistant U.S. Attorney Caroline Heck Miller in last week's filing. "The gravity of the offense of torture is beyond dispute."
Grandpa Grandpa 8 years
Calimie, I was under the impression the UN human rights commission did that already.
Calimie Calimie 8 years
I do hope this goes forward. A country can't have Guantanamo and secret jails all over the world like there's no problem. Spanish citizens were detained there with no law to protect them, no trial but only tortures. If the US won't investigate, we will.
Roarman Roarman 8 years
I think Spain is obligated to protect their citizens. Of course they should do this. If we had citizens that were allegedly tortured in another country, people would be outraged and demand this be done.
stephley stephley 8 years
Grandpa Grandpa 8 years
For Spain to bring charges like this against the U.S., while closing their eyes to real violations of human rights in Africa, Middle east, China, North Korea, they must be using the same logic as PETA activists use in spraying paint on fur coats, and not on Bikers leather. One makes you feel safe, superior and smug, and the other gets your a$$ whipped.
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
Political witch hunt. That's what we are getting out of Spain and the UN.
stephley stephley 8 years
Talk to Spain and the U.N. Dave.
UnDave35 UnDave35 8 years
to be used to bring proceedings against those violating it. “We have all these documents that are now publicly available that prove that these methods of interrogation were intentionally ordered by Rumsfeld.” We have documents that prove they discussed how far they could go, but nowhere do they say "torture those detainees." If we had that, Bush and Co would've been brought up on charges in '06. Just because you want them to be guilty of something illegal doesn't make them guilty of something illegal.
stephley stephley 8 years
Anyway, United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture Manfred Nowak is working on the Bush Administration case. Last month he said: “Judicially speaking, the United States has a clear obligation” to bring proceedings against Bush and Rumsfeld. […] He pointed out that the U.S. ratified the UN convention on torture which required “all means, particularly penal law” to be used to bring proceedings against those violating it. “We have all these documents that are now publicly available that prove that these methods of interrogation were intentionally ordered by Rumsfeld.”
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
2 wrongs don't make a right steph. Fix the problems of the US, Don't keep encouraging Other nations to do wrong, it isn't becoming on you at all
stephley stephley 8 years
How can you call for a world court now, when we have detainees we've held for six years? Should Spain be held to a different standard than the U.S.?
Grandpa Grandpa 8 years
I think it is incumbent upon the world court to deal with such issues not individual nations. Let Spain bring the charges to the world court, let that court make the decision to prosecute or not.
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
Spain should tread lightly though, they don't want to look like they don't give a shit about what these people may have done to plan attacks, we just can't prove it. And there also isn't proof that any one of their citizens were tortured either. i do agree with Janneth that it probably should be handled through a war tribunal. I also don't see any difference with detaining terrorism suspects, and with here in california they can detain someone just because they were hanging out with gangs members. :shrug: fine line we have to walk.
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
But seriously it is their country, they should do as they wish, and we should have NO say in what they do. I would expect the same respect though from them in not harboring people we deem as terrorists.
StolzeMama StolzeMama 8 years
Wow this would make Stephley happy.
stephley stephley 8 years
GS, You should be careful with your assumptions because you risk proving the old adage. It has nothing to do with two wrongs making a right, it's a matter of absolutely yes a country can 'indict a citizen from another country?' We've got hundreds of detainees ourselves so why aren't people asking of the U.S. 'Shouldn't they be filing this in an international tribunal, or the UN, as a war crime, if they are serious about the matter?' Anything I know comes from following developments in newspapers, magazines and news reports, the same as any other 'peon'.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
"Janneth, we've got prisoners all over the world and have been arguing for six years about whether or not they have the right to be tried - are you kidding?" So, in your mind, two wrongs make a right? Or is it just ok because Americans will be the ones "suffering"? And I assume that because you so staunchly agree that they are guilty, you must know all the ins and outs that we peons don't know?
Jillness Jillness 8 years
When the United States enters international agreements, they should not expect anything less but to be bound by them. The Bush Administration failed to recognize international law. I have also heard that the United Nations is looking into the Bush Administration as well. This will not be the last we hear about how we handled our prisoners during the Bush years. I just hope that sanctions aren't placed on our country.
stephley stephley 8 years
The Supreme Court ruled on how last year: "The justices, in a historic ruling, said the 270 prisoners, held for more than six years for alleged links with al-Qaida and the Taliban, have a constitutional right to take their cases to civilian courts on the US mainland." The Bush Administration continued to drag its feet on 'if' to the end.
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