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Take Your Guns to Work Law

Take Your Guns to Work — Crazy or Constitutional?

The passing of Charlton "Cold, Dead Hands" Heston, might have me in the NRA frame of mind, but this story jumped out at me: Lawmakers in Florida passed a bill yesterday that will allow most residents to bring a gun with them to work.

The bill allows workers to keep guns in their cars for self-protection, passed the Florida Senate 26-13, and heads to Republican Gov. Charlie Crist to be signed into law. Some job sites are still no-gun zones, including nuclear power plants, prisons, schools and companies whose business involves homeland security.

A Republican lawmaker said of the bill, "The second thing they wrote about in that constitution was the right to bear arms. It was what was dear in their hearts."

Critics say the measure takes away business owners' rights to decide what happens on their property and puts workers and managers at risk from armed and disgruntled employees.

Dozens of workplace shootings occur every year. Some studies have shown that work places where guns are allowed are more likely to suffer workplace homicides than those where guns are prohibited.

Does this sound like a just application of the second amendment, or a recipe for disaster?

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nonamecharlie nonamecharlie 9 years
OK, For Jspark, Ekaterina, and those who also may not correctly understand the 2nd amendment: The 2nd amendment does state "for the purpose of militia," however nowhere does it state that an active militia is required for the people to have their right to keep and bear arms. The People have their right weather or not there is an active militia, so that if the need arises, a militia can be formed. No one wants to have an active militia if there is no need to fight in the streets. I am a gun owner, but I don't want to be part of a militia if it is not necessary. It will be a sad day if we have to again form militias to fight against the government. George Washington won my freedom already, I want to preserve it. The second amendment also clearly states "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." That means we are allowed to own them (i.e. the word "keep") and carry them around with us(i.e. the word "bear"). It also states those rights can not be taken from us in any way, shape, or form (i.e. "shall not be infringed"). Please, I know the truth is hard to take when you don't agree, but it is all clearly there, in plain English. To address the alleged "collective meaning" of the word "people" - I am one of the people, therefore, the right applies to me individually. Are you seriously suggesting only a mob of people together can own weapons? Are they only allowed to load them for target practice if they all go to the range together too? Do they have to buy guns as a mob all at once at the store? - By the way, the 4th amendment, also uses the word "people" to prevent search or your unreasonable search and seizures in your INDIVIDUAL home. Sounds like the word people pertains to individual rights, in both cases. For over 200 years the constitution has worked to keep us free to say the things you all say here. Although it is your choice to speak out asking for your own freedoms to be taken away, you might be wise not to questions the first ten things written in the constitution guaranteeing the essential rights you need to remain free. Those concepts in the Bill Of Rights, and in the rest of the Constitution were written very carefully, by very smart people (the true best and brightest), to ensure the freedom you enjoy would not ever be lost. -Charlie
Lokiman666 Lokiman666 9 years
Places of Interest or Tourist attractions to even school need people protecting them. In today's society, you have to play it safe and ensure safety over the collective, or the individuals would overtake it. I generally see that managers of each place of interest should carry a gun, but not ness. every person.
BillSmith BillSmith 9 years
In Israel the teachers are allowed to take take guns directly into the classroom to better protect the students from terrorists. How many crazy, disgruntled Israeli teachers do you hear of going nuts and gunning down an entire classroom of students? It's real simple, criminals don't go where the guns ARE, they go where the guns AREN'T - How many disgruntled citizens shoot up police stations? How many criminals rob Gunshops? if the recent college shootings in Virginia serve as an example, if the students & faculty had been allowed to have handguns on the premises there may possibly have been as little as one casualty the crazed killer himself - because he would have been outnumbered and would have been killed on the spot. Or the reality of it is he simply would moved to another easier, softer target, which would mean fewer casualties, but sadly it would have been a target that did not offer any means of fighting back. I am sick and tired of the notion that some crazy, disgruntled employee is going to show up shooting, and is going to wipe out an entire office staff, when in reality 2 or more people in that office WILL be packing and will not be afraid to fight back. The disgruntled employee will either simply have to make a guess who's packing and who's not and blow them away first or once again move to a softer, easier target that does not provide the means to defend themselves.
michael-stone michael-stone 9 years
i wonder if gun control would help the victims of all the school shootings in the last three or four years,or if there was no gun controll may some bystander (CARRING A GUN) could have privented the blood bath
BelleNuit BelleNuit 9 years
I definately support a law that allows employees to bring guns to their workplace(s). Of course, however, Some job sites should not allow guns such as nuclear power plants, prisons, schools and companies whose business involves homeland security. I can understand why schools don't allow their staff to bring guns - the students may snoop and find the gun. And we know how foolish kids are these days. Besides that, those working in other industries should be allowed to carry guns (perhaps in their purses or in their cars). It's for self protection of course. If you're working in a building like I am in a busy city with the parking deck that's open to the public, anyone can come in. Having a gun does not mean that you're dangerous. You're just being protective of yourself. Who knows, what if some looney came in to work and started shooting everyone, at least the other employees will have guns and shoot him down versus not allowing guns and let the looney finish shooting off everyone becuase everyone is armless. This is cliche but it's true: Guns don't kill people, people kill people with guns.
Aviel Aviel 9 years
So OK...When danger is seconds away and the Police are minutes away who is going to protect my ass? I would like the oppertunity to protect myself and most of you will just sit there and take a bullet...you take my GUN from me and then only the bad guys will have GUNS then what ya gonna do when the bad guy comes for you
US-Citizen US-Citizen 9 years
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." The Second Amendment was written and approved by a very wise group of our wonderful United States Of America's founders. These men knew the kind of subtle changes in laws that could be passed which would lesd to loss of the peoples rights along with corruption of the government of countries that could enslave it's people. So they wrote our Constitution. Then they made some impoprtant amendments to improve upon it. To protect the people of the United States of America from those corruptions of government that could make those subtle changes in laws and loss of the peoples rights. In this case one of those rights is as it is stated above: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state," It can be said that the national gaurd is a well regulated malitia, but who controls the guns? The people or the Government? It seems to me that the type of militia referred to here is the general population, and that they should be well trained in the use and know their neighbors so that they can depend upon each other in the case of an emergency. And that is where the second half of the amendment continues: "the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." This means that the Citizens of the United States of America have the right to keep and bear arms, and it shall not be infringed. The reasoning for this is that if for some reason the govenrment of the United States of America would try to take away the rights of the people of the United States of America, The people would have a way to protect themselves and correct the problem with the corrupted government. Now as for a law allowing for people to take guns to work and leave them in their locked vehicles, I see nothing wrong with that law. However I do see a problem that could arise of vehicles being broken into to steal the guns which could then be used in crimes. I would much rather see laws pass to allow open or concealed carry with a premit so that the responsible person maintained possesion of the weapon. This way the gun would not be as likely to get into the wrong hands and be more likely to save a life than to take a life.
hartsfull hartsfull 9 years
Netdata, I love the link.
hartsfull hartsfull 9 years
LOL! I thought "pussify" our country was not only super intelligent but darn funny!
pequeña pequeña 9 years
*I meant disrespectful, not unrespectful.
pequeña pequeña 9 years
UberSteve - I am uneducated in this subject because I am from Spain. I do not know the exact legislations in the US about guns, and how they change in each state, and that's why I asked. To me, carrying a gun in your car or anyplace else is absolutely unnecessary and nothing good can come from it. Again, that's my poit of view as a european. I don't have a gun, none of my friends and relatives have guns, and I've never known anyone who had one except for hunting. And, as far as I'm concerned, we all feel perfectly safe. My feeling is that there's a feeling of fear (I don't know form what exactly) in the US that it does not exist in other countries. That's why I asked, guns protect you from what? Other people that also have guns? Burglars? The Russian Mafia? School Shooters? Terrorists? I'm just curious to know. On a different subject, to ask someone to leave the contry just because he or she disagrees with the legislation, or with you, is quite unrespectful. One can like their country and disagree with some of the laws. We are all free to disagree, and it's essential that there's people that do.
LadyAngel89 LadyAngel89 9 years
There is a lot that's "strong and powerful" about a firearm. Sure it takes minimal brains and little physical strength. But I personally like the fact that would have that power in the event that I was attacked by someone that could easily overpower my small female build. And you're darn right I would hide behind my weapon! I REFUSE to allow my life or my family's life to be endangered if there is ANYTHING I can do to protect them. As for not being helpful. Think about the places you're most likely to be attacked... When you're not paying attention (getting your keys, unlocking doors, worrying about what you're planning on doing), when you feel comfortable (around people you know, in your own neighborhood). When most attackers know their victims! Carjackings are also high, and 74% of carjackings involve a weapon. "Nothing positive can come from this." = What negative is going to come from it? Those that really want to have their guns are going to have them with them weather they're supposed to have them or not.
brz1968 brz1968 9 years
To clarify it for jspark, the text is "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Notice the placement of the comma, it divides the sentence at that point for a reason, throughout history various rulers of one kind or another have used their standing armies and militias to overrun the "peasants" as they were referred to back then. Thus the wording that the founding fathers used. To explain it in a simpler way, you need a good army/militia to keep a country safe, however an armed populace will also keep said army/militia from being used on a countries own people.
Roarman Roarman 9 years
"Pussify" our Country. That's intelligent. There is nothing strong our powerful about a gun. It takes minimal brains to use and almost no physical strength, the person you are using it against could be weaker or stronger it doesn't matter, you have your weapon to hide behind. Why would you need to have a gun in your vehicle at work? What might happen that you may need it? Nothing positive can come from this. In the small likelihood that you are attacked on your work premises, is your gun going to be immediately accessible? Probably not, rendering it useless.
UberSteve UberSteve 9 years
"Why exactly do you need a gun at work for? To protect yourself from what?" Once again a person uneducated to the actual issue, IT'S NOT BRING YOUR GUN INTO WORK! It just allows you to have it in your car which oddly enough includes your drive to and from work. This is what the Bill intended, the other theroy is what the Liberal Media wants you to think.
UberSteve UberSteve 9 years
The last time I checked if you didn't like the constitution of the United States,Mexico is just to the south and Canada is just to the North. Feel free to pack it up or quitcherbitchin and trying to pussify our Country.
lilkumachan lilkumachan 9 years
Taking guns to work ultimately is not a good idea unless there is some type of unspoken M.A.D. rule or policy in place. If everyone in a workplace openly wears a gun on their hip like in the old west, then even a disgruntled worker may be given pause before walking into an office where the secretary is willing to pull out and use their own piece. This of course would necessitate mandatory firearms safety and practice classes throughout all stages of schooling, increased video surveillance of every business and possibly even a wider yet severely regulated gun market. Leaving guns in cars though would not be the best idea unless the parking lots are completely secured.
netdata netdata 9 years
Littlemissme - instead of just leaving a comment with an Opinion how about you state some facts to backup your opinion. I love how liberals just love to announce their opinions, but lack the facts in the subject they are declaring their opinion for. So tell us, why is it crazy? Or can you think? Or do you just think what your parents think? Or what popular opinion is? Can you think on your own or not? If so, then tell us WHY you think this way.
netdata netdata 9 years
That poll is biased, it says "Guns In The Workplace" the bill isn't about guns being IN the workplace, just having the right to drive to and from work with a gun in your vehicle - LOCKED UP. So I did not vote, and I am sick of the news "media" not being neutral as they should be. Emphasis on the "media" part. i.e. entertainment and fiction works. As far as the one reader wanting statistics: CNN: Since 1993, violent crime as measured by victim surveys has fallen by 57 percent and property crime by 50 percent. That has included a 9 percent drop in violent crime from 2001-2002 to 2003-2004. Source:http://wheelgun.blogspot.com/2005/09/us-crime-rate-holding-near-lows.html My opinion on the Florida law? IT IS REDUNDANT AND UNNECESSARY. We have a concealed weapons law here. It works. The reason why it works is, the permit is difficult to obtain, and ensures that proper gun training and SAFETY is learned. Also if you have mental illness etc, your permit will be DENIED. I don't believe allowing just any citizen joe the ability to carry around a gun in their car is a good idea, especially with road rage as bad as it is. As far as you anti-gun types. Let me give you a poll: A burgular has broken into your home, he is armed with a knife and intends to commit a violent crime. Do you: a. Grab the cheesewhiz because you own no gun. b. Grab a handgun and force the burgular to make a hasty exit. c. Pull the covers over your head and pretend hes not there. (That might work.) d. Go back to sleep. Gun laws protect you when it REALLY counts. I am a libertarian, just for the record. And I disagree strongly with conservatives and republicans that would allow loose gun laws. We do not need a AK-47 to protect our homes. I do believe that if we ban all guns only criminals will have them. They obviously intend on breaking the law in the first place, do you really think they are stopping and thinking about what gun law they are breaking? NO. BTW For you less educated liberals, the cheesewhiz is not a good weapon to defend yourself, the correct answer is A. Although it is delicious on a Philly.
melizzle melizzle 9 years
This is one of those times that I remember how much it sucks to live in New York. :(
Kimpossible Kimpossible 9 years
I agree with tiff58, if a person is going to go postal at work they'r going to do so law or not. And I really don't understand the big deal about the "new law". Because if you have a concealed weapons permit you can have it in your car anyway - how is this different? and just like with the concealed weapons permit I'm sure there are stipulations to this "new law", like it has to be a 3 step process to get to and be able to fire the weapon. the people who have or want guns for the wrong reasons are going to get them with our w/out gun control. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have some type of gun control. We do have it now, it's just not being handled properly by all people. Which would be the case no matter what. Even if we did make stricter gun laws those who won't or don't want to follow the laws - won't. It's not about the law, it's about the people and the whole "I want what I want when I want it" mentality that is so strong in society today.
pequeña pequeña 9 years
Why exactly do you need a gun at work for? To protect yourself from what?
littlemissme littlemissme 9 years
Crazy!
hartsfull hartsfull 9 years
I would love to hear more! I can't now though because I have to tend to my family.
UnDave35 UnDave35 9 years
Thank you for your kind words harts. :) I got more if you want to hear them
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