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Virtual Border Fence Unveiled

Last Friday, US Department of Homeland Security unveiled a high-tech virtual fence along the Mexican border in Arizona. "Project 28," built by Boeing, cost $20 million and covers 28 miles. At the same press conference last Friday, Attorney General Michael Mukasey announced higher fines for employers who hire illegal immigrants.

This month, President Bush asked Congress for $755 million to fund physical fencing along the Mexican border, along with other high-tech surveillance. Do you think the US should extend the virtual fence, rather than moving forward on the planned 700 mile physical fence? Or, is technology unreliable as a stand-alone solution?


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bransugar79 bransugar79 9 years
I read an article on how things work about the "virtual fence" Basically it is a series of towers radar and underground sensors that can watch the border. The actual physical fence would still have to do all the work of keeping anyone out. I don't think that a fence will work and I'm upset that we are to a point that we even need to consider this. I am not anti Mexican or anti Canadian as the case may be, but I do think as a country we have a need to protect our borders. We need to know who is apart of our society and we have a system that llows people to come to this country legally so why is so terrible that we expect people to use the proper channels. I understand that conditions in Mexico are not great but that doesn't mean that we have an obligation to fix their economy or to be a haven for those trying to escape ILLEGALLY. I don't think that many people feel that we shouldn't help in some respect but it's geting out of hand there has to be some action taken and I think we are all trying to figure out what that action is.
br0wneyed9irl00 br0wneyed9irl00 9 years
caterpillar, my point was that the budget money could go to help a whole lot of people in many ways. the fence won't eliminate the "problem". a solution that doesn't fix the problem is utterly impractical. making legal immigration possible would be a much more efficient solution. i'm in college and have friends who can't stay in the country after defending their phd because of immigration laws. just because someone didn't start life in the us doesn't mean they won't be a contributing member of our society. especially when considering, aside from our native american citizens, we are all immigrants.
Beauty Beauty 9 years
What a waste of money.
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 9 years
its not an irrational problem! and to say that money should go to buying violins and laptops and not something more practical cracks me up.
br0wneyed9irl00 br0wneyed9irl00 9 years
$755 million could buy: 3,755,000 children laptops through one laptop per child ($200 each) or 2,097,222.2 vaccinations against hpv at full price ($360 each) or 75.5 million mosquito nets to prevent malaria through the nothing but nets campaign ($10 per net) or 2,516,666 future virtuosos a practice violin ($300 each) or we could fund an ineffective fence, trying to solve an irrational "problem."
Jillness Jillness 9 years
"Soooo we've paid lots of tax money for a "virtual wall" that covers 28 miles of 1,969?" I was thinking that too! Caterpillar, I knew that illegal immigrants were forcing hospitals to close at alarming rates. I did not know about the other stats! I think that only a multi-pronged approach will slow illegal immigration. I think that employers should be a huge focus, and that a lot of the immigration has to do with Mexico and the condition of their country. The "funny" thing is that Mexico is suffering from illegal immigration as well! As their citizens move to our country, more illegal immigrants from Central America are moving into southern Mexico and taking their jobs. I wish I could find the article where I read about it...
cine_lover cine_lover 9 years
Wow! Caterpillar, thanks for the stats!
CaterpillarGirl CaterpillarGirl 9 years
I have no problem with the wall, and the illegals arent being discriminated against, they are a burden to our society!!! In L.A. hospitals alone sixty percent of patients are not citizens, and 2 million illegals are crowding Emergency rooms up. Hospitals are CLOSING due to the burdon of illegals. roughly $1000 of every legal taxpayer in california is going towards that. one in 6 inmates in arizona is a mexican citizen. In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding homicide warrants and 60 percent of outstanding felony warrants are for illegal aliens. American taxpayers are paying for the crimes of the 8,000 convicted aliens not yet caught and the incarceration costs of those who have been. That adds up to more than $1 billion a year — in just the states that border Mexico
saritabonita saritabonita 9 years
Its a "wall" that uses radars and surveillance cameras to try to catch illegal immigrants - night vision , etc...
bellaressa bellaressa 9 years
Good Morning Everyone, I was unsure of the wall or force field will it have electric shock - if so ohh my, that would be a shock.
trésjolie1 trésjolie1 9 years
I live in Berlin, Germany, and this is the city with the second largest population of Turks, after Istanbul. Imagine that. Moreover, I live in the Turkish part of town, Kreuzberg. Here things are quite good, with healthy relations between ethnic Germans and Turks, but other places in Germany are not functioning so well, and there are a lot of hate crimes. France, Britain, Italy; they all have the same problem. Here in Berlin Turkish people work in the restaurants and stores, and there is a lot of family businesses, and this way they have a future for their kids and get assimilated with the German language and people. But the European countries have in large part exceeded their limits for dealing with large populations of people who have different historical and cultural heritage.
bailaoragaditana bailaoragaditana 9 years
Soooo we've paid lots of tax money for a "virtual wall" that covers 28 miles of 1,969? Hmmmmm.... I think we're probably going to have to fork over lots more money for those aforementioned virtual-reality glasses....
saritabonita saritabonita 9 years
Its discriminating, offensive, uncomfortable, unpretty and it won't work. IT like the berlin wall gone anti-mexican
saritabonita saritabonita 9 years
The fence is a HORRIBLE IDEA. I feel so strongly about this. first of all , I come from a border town, and a fence will look horrible!!!! My town/city is the prettiest and cleanest of all the borders in texas (really, it is, that's what its considered to be) Its also a very small border. we don't need a wall... thats what the border patrol is for. Illegal Immigrants will find a way to cross anyway. most of them don't cross thru the desert... the come in a truck (indie film: la tragedia de macario.. watch it), in a car on the copilots seat, flying, etc.... I make no sense.. i know. this just makes me angry. plus its expensive... what da h....
LibertySugar LibertySugar 9 years
Does anyone live along the border? I'm interested on what you think about the issue.
nyaradzom2001 nyaradzom2001 9 years
I think that even though it's increased it's still under the radar and not reported that much. a lot of it is targeted towards these illegal immigrants and where can they go and another thing is that in prts of eastern Europe where the "nationalist" sentiment is strong it's not viewed as racism more like protecting your nation and your jobs from the foreign devils. The world's largest group of skinheads live in Europe with 300 000 in Russia alone I know I repeat that statistic a lot but dang that's a lot of out and proud racists right there, that gives me the heebie jeebies. I feel like the world is slowly sliding back and it worries me.
cine_lover cine_lover 9 years
Nyara, I am surprised that there is not more news in America (citizen sugar) about the racism over seas. I mean I know about it, from friends and family and the few articles I have found, but it is really not news here.
mymellowman mymellowman 9 years
"What about the ports and the airports? What measures will be taken there?" If someone is coming through the ports and airports, they have been initially screened by immigrations. I'm not saying that no one who goes through these areas will not stay for the longterm illegally, but it less likely than someone who, from the very beginning, crossed into the country illegally. As noted, we will never be able to stop all illegal immigration, but we try to deter it to the best of our ability. Additionally, if someone stays illegally, at least we know who they are, where they are from and if they have done anything criminally in the past. They needed to go through customs with a valid passport, this is not the case with someone who has snuck through the desert. "What about the Canadian border?" - Well, Canada is a very different place than Mexico. I'm not saying that people don't cross the border illegally from the North, but it is not as large of a problem as it is to the south. Canada has a decent government and economy, so people aren't trying t escape the country like they do from Mexico. Hence, there isn't a large influx of Canadians running across the border. Additionally, you don't find as much money being sent to Canada as is sent to Mexico, so it isn't as much of a strain on the economy. All in all, it is about dealing with the larger problem first. Secondly, we'll see that all illegal immigration will be slowed by holding employers accountable for their employment practices. "I think our border issue is a difficult matter. I think we need to pull in every direction we can, and that one approach doesn't exclude the others." - Very well put. I think that this is one of the issues when discussing only a certain aspect of this topic, we loose sight that this is not the only thing being done, but part of a bigger initiative.
nyaradzom2001 nyaradzom2001 9 years
oh yeah definitely cine but it seems like just generally everywhere racism is on the rise even in Afrca there has been an increase of anti-foreigner sentiment. I remember in Italy everyone was so horrid about and to the Moroccans, it was pretty terrible. Indian, pakistanis, Albanians, Serbians, Russians, Nigerians they all got it pretty bad from the cop and the immigrtion officers because of the high incidence of illegals from their nations.
cine_lover cine_lover 9 years
Ah Tres you missed a good one! It actually stayed pretty clean, surprisingly. We actually got a guy, MMM, to join in on the fun, which is very rare in abortion topics. Nyara, I can understand being cynical. I have friends and family in Europe, who have said that the racism is getting out of control over their because of all the illegal immigrants.
trésjolie1 trésjolie1 9 years
Oh, I missed something? Crap. I have this deal with myself that I only go into so and so many threads every day, so that I actually get other things done as well. Pick my battles, though I'm really bad at following through on my own promise. But I want to talk abortion! :lol: I think our border issue is a difficult matter. I think we need to pull in every direction we can, and that one approach doesn't exclude the others.
nyaradzom2001 nyaradzom2001 9 years
I think maybe I'm so cynical cos I've seen all the measures that England has been taking over the pst few years to try and lessen th wave of illegal immigrants, and I speak of England and europe cos back home that's the news we used to follow and read American never featured much, but not much has happened. Can you believe that one of the people wo was handling the major aylum seeers csaes in England was an ilegal mmigrant from my country. He managed to get such a high ranking government postition all with false papers and passed all the security check, so I think if he can do that what can al these gangs and syndicates that help illegal immigrants do? There has to be a beter way to do this whoe immigration both legal and illegal actually.
cine_lover cine_lover 9 years
cine_lover cine_lover 9 years
nyara, I certainly hope, a fence in conjunction with other measures i.e. going after the employers, will make the hike more bearable. And believe it or not, I am an old softy too. You just can't tell from this forum.
hausfrau hausfrau 9 years
Good morning Cine and Tres... Tres, where were you on the abortion issue yesterday?!?
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