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Voting Case: Supreme Court Rules Against Ohio GOP

The Supreme Court dealt a blow to a Republican Ohio strategy this past Friday. The Court threw out Ohio Republicans' request for Ohio's secretary of state to provide county elections boards with the names of newly registered voters whose voter registration forms do not match DMV records exactly.

The Supreme Court overturned a lower court decision to require the state to set up a chaotic system that would make it easier for officials to challenge prospective voters with mismatched info. Thus, the Supreme Court decreased the likelihood that as many as 660,000 newly registered voters would be disenfranchised on election day. And guess who one of those voter could have been — Joe the Plumber! His name is misspelled in Ohio state records!

The case reveals that whether we like it or not, voting procedures can be favored or despised by either political party. It would seem that far before elections, Americans could agree on fair, nonpartisan, rules for voting, and then be content with competing for each vote based on the issues and the candidates. Yet, in American politics, every advantage, even trying to challenge or change the rules, is pursued.


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I think a way this could be avoided in the future is to actually delay payment until the registration is accepted and comes back as official. Then, ACORN wouldn't be paying crooks with taxpayer money to, well, be crooks. If they are hired to register voters and aren't really registering voters, that's stealing...yet, we continue to fund ACORN and continue to fund these crooks. Yea. I have seen people being interviewed about the way these guys are doing this. They say, hey, register to vote and I'll give you a cigarette. Or a dollar. Shoot, register five times and I'll give you five dollars. It's stupid, and ACORN lets it continue. If this is the way ACORN and other organizations are going to do things, then perhaps we should move the 'last day to register to vote' to an earlier time, so that states have time to weed through the crap registrations. I'm so very sick of thinking that Mickey will vote, as will the entire Dallas Cowboy football line-up that one person just happened to register this year. Wow.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
Um- I dloaded my form offline...what do you mean by govt. registration? I mean, the govt. ultimately approves or denies my registration, but do you mean they'd have to watch me fill it out too, then go searching through their database or whatever to approve it? It seems like that might just be a waste of time and money. But I think it misses the crucial point. Filling out 73 registrations- any of us could do it at any point, the real issue is if the person is actually granted 73 different registration cards (even after ACORN flagged the registration forms as suspicious), gets 73 different fake IDs and goes to 73 different polling places and votes 73 different times. Voting fraud carries a stiff penalty. Ya know what DOESN'T carry a stiff penalty? Voter suppression. I think this ACORN stuff/voter registration worries is a bit of a red herring to distract from what could be a real problem, and what fears about ACORN could cause- voter suppression.
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
oh and YY - I see your point about man power, but then we shoudl allocate the funds and fix it. You know I'm pretty much uniformly against bigger gov't but this system we have now is so flawed and it can make or break the history of our country for years. Honestly I find it kind of shocking that anyone BUT the gov't is allowed to register these people. Its so haphazard.
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
except for maybe being against*
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
But if thats the case Jill, that rule change is better for everyone. It doesn't favor one side.... except for maybe the side that is registering the same person 72 times with a different address.
Jillness Jillness 8 years
"I'm not sure how protecting the integrity of the voting system against fraud is cosidered "changing the rules" Because it was never law that a voter registration has to match DMV records. ACORN (and other groups) HAS to turn in every registration form they receive in many states, whether they think it is suspicious or not. All voter registration forms have to be verified by the state in order for the registration to be completed. Just because ACORN gets a registration form, doesn't mean the registration will be completed. ACORN takes the extra step of flagging for the State those forms that seem suspicious. Anyone has the ability to fill out a registration form in a fraudulent way. There are systems set up to purge the fraudulent forms that come in, and it needs to be protected not just from groups but from individuals as well. I wonder how the system is set up to recognize identity theft. If you live in one area, and someone uses your social security number to set up accounts in another area, will you be challenged? Identity theft is soooo common now. I am just so curious how these people are protected from being purged.
PiNkY-PiNk PiNkY-PiNk 8 years
I'm glad! people shouldn't get their RIGHT to vote taken away just because their name is spelled incorrectly.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
Haus- lol man I knew better than to trust that mouse! Please don't tell me Goofy is on board with the GOP too...I will never be able to feel the same when I watch Disney cartoons!
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
Hey according to McCain re: mickey mouse - that rat is a Republican! :)
liliblu liliblu 8 years
"This whole ACORN nonsense is a distraction anyway. These are people making minimum wage to register people to vote to try and meet quotas. If they can't meet those quotas, they're going to scam the system. I'm not excusing fraud in any sense, but registration fraud does not equal voter fraud. Mickey Mouse might be registered to vote, but when the mouse actually shows up to vote -- then we've got a problem." Serial, great post.
snowbunny11 snowbunny11 8 years
Serial- perfect analysis! I had to explain that to my grandpa last night- voter registration fraud is despicable, but actually having to get the Mouse fake ID, show up and risk a stiff penalty to get one more vote in the election- it's a pretty rare thing, and generally people don't think it's worth it. However, depriving Joe the Plumber the ability to vote- based on misspelling his name, which IMO can be used to suppress certain voters (hey Katherine Harris in Fla. I'm looking at YOU) can have a large outcome on the election, and isn't really prosecutable. I think this is going to be a massive administrative headache for Ohio, but hopefully they can get it worked out. And no, this shouldn't be a partisan issue... :( Get Joe his vote!
serial serial 8 years
In a way, the Supreme Court did rule against the GOP. The Court ruled the GOP had no standing to use the Help America Vote Act offensively to challenge voter rolls. Incidentally, if the Republicans got their way, Joe the Plumber would be deprived of his vote because his name is misspelled in Ohio's voters database. This whole ACORN nonsense is a distraction anyway. These are people making minimum wage to register people to vote to try and meet quotas. If they can't meet those quotas, they're going to scam the system. I'm not excusing fraud in any sense, but registration fraud does not equal voter fraud. Mickey Mouse might be registered to vote, but when the mouse actually shows up to vote -- then we've got a problem.
yesteryear yesteryear 8 years
i think what the ACORN voter registration people did was wrong and they should be fired, but i would imagine every single organization that does petitions/registration drives runs into this same problem. i see what you mean haus, about leaving it up to the government... but i actually work for the county government and have worked with the registrars office on a few elections, and we just don't have the money or human resources to reach all eligible voters. DMV picks up some of them, at least here in california, and the post office - which i believe is not just a CA thing... but still it's not enough. the benefit of these orgs (when they are running things correctly), is that they reach out to under-served, below-the-radar populations who might not otherwise make their way to a government agency to fill out a registration card.
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
What I don't understand is how this organization is allowed to register people anymore. If it were up to me you'd have to goto a gov't office to register and those offices would go out and register people and NO ONE ELSE would be allowed to register anyone.
ilanac13 ilanac13 8 years
i'm kind of tired about hearing about ACORN's practices actually. we know what went on and what's going on and it seems like nothing is really going to change this time around. i do think that after the debacle with the Florida voting situation, things really do need to change, and i actually know quite a few people who were affected by this. a few of my coworkers lived in areas that their votes were mismanaged and not counted - and i think that we need to really make sure that this is managed a bit better. i agree that perhaps this wasn't a vote against the GOP argument but more about the fact that the process is defunct. i don't know if we're really going to see the true results this time around or if it's going to be another issue of what the process allows us to see.
True-Song True-Song 8 years
>I really don't think voter fraud should be a partisan issue, but I guess its become that. It always has been. I remember even learning in AP Government that while there are more registered Democrats, Republicans have a better turn out, statistically, so anything that increases turnout tends to favor the left.
janneth janneth 8 years
It's not over til it's over.
hausfrau hausfrau 8 years
mes - me too!! but i doubt it will be a landslide.... its gotten much tighter over the last week. oh well, we shall see! :)
Mesayme Mesayme 8 years
Is that Joe? Looks like Goldberg the wrestler. anyway, election day is so close, I guess they just want to avoid chaos. But I sure don't want to see another Florida situation. I'm praying that whoever wins will win by a landslide to avoid any doubt.
sexylibrarian sexylibrarian 8 years
You are exactly right flutter!
flutterpie flutterpie 8 years
i think its kind of funny that after the gop begged ohio not to do early voting, that all of this "voter fraud" is coming up. once upon a time i worked for a temp agency and i was offered a job to get people to sign a petition and i would be paid per signature, no matter who signed and from what i hear ACORN pays there people pretty much the same way. there isnt much denial that ACORN is pro liberal but i think that the voter fraud is really just bad employees trying to make a quick buck.
janneth janneth 8 years
I think you're right. One party does seem to be more into voter fraud.
janneth janneth 8 years
I guess after Florida, we have to be extra careful.
janneth janneth 8 years
This strategy could have hurt the Dems.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
Completely house. Things are getting scary.
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