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Mom Tried to Have "Rudolph" Banned From School Performance

Mom Tried to Have "Rudolph" Banned From School Performance

The kindergartens of North Carolina's Murrayville Elementary practiced a rendition of "Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer" in music class to prep for a PTA holiday performance until one mother objected to what she thought were religious overtones in it. The woman felt the words "Santa" and "Christmas" in the lyrics should not be taught in public school and petitioned that the song be removed from the program. The school board ruled that it was an appropriate tune and allowed the children to perform it. What's your opinion?

bittlerelly bittlerelly 8 years
I'd like to propose that while Santa and Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer are not part of the by-the-book original Christmas in a religious sense, they are a part of our society's contemporary Christmas observances. I don't think anyone can deny that Christmas is a primarily Christian holiday. (albeit celebrated by lots of non Christians around the world) Because Christmas is a Christian holiday, Santa and Rudolph symbolize a Christian holiday, and because Christianity is a religion, Santa and Rudolph symbolize a religious observance. Having said that, I do not object to my daughter singing along with "secular" Christmas songs. I will not be comfortable with her singing songs like "Silent Night" or "Away in a Manger". She has always been taught at home that Christmas is a holiday that we don't celebrate at home because we aren't Christians, but that we respect others rights to celebrate whatever they want.
crazytrainXD crazytrainXD 8 years
first off, santa is NOT a religious icon. and what happend to the first amendment and the freedom of religion? singing a hanukka (srry cant spell it) song is religous! HEY LADY, DONT CRY WOLF ABOUT SOME THING RELIGIOUS WHEN YOUR GONNA MAKE A WOLF ACTULY BE THERE! gosh... TAKE A CHILL PILL LADY! i bet they sang rudolph when you where a kid...
facin8me facin8me 8 years
"lol, ever seen a santa or rudolph in your church?" I've seen Santa at church too. The church I used to go to had windows on the ceiling near the altar and you could see the chimney out those windows. Every year my dad would put a cutout of a Santa with a bag of toys on the chimney. The Santa was looking over his shoulder and making a "shh" sign with his finger over his mouth. When kids would walk up with their parents to be blessed during communion, the kids would see Santa and get jazzed about it.
LadyLiLa83 LadyLiLa83 8 years
What's the big deal? If she doesn't want her child in the program, don't let her child be in the program. Don't ruin the program for everyone else, lady!
Greggie Greggie 8 years
"lol, ever seen a santa or rudolph in your church?" Yes at our Catholic Church Santa came and visited the children on Sunday before mass, then stayed and sat with them in the two front pews.
momma-tikita momma-tikita 8 years
um kind of stupid lady. Why not take YOUR kid out and let the other kids have their fun?!
Sarana Sarana 8 years
I wish people would stop being so difficult. I went to a school without any religious ties (in my country we have different schools for everything kind of religion and 1 type for no religion at all) and we still celebrated Saint Nicolas and Christmas and it was never a problem. What is this woman afraid of happening to her child by singing or hearing a song about another religion? Will it hurt him? NO, so what's the problem?
Trixie6 Trixie6 8 years
Some people have too much time on their hands. This idiot woman needs to get over it. What's next? Banning Christmas altogether?
snowysakurasky snowysakurasky 8 years
""I personally feel that if a public school is going to put on a holiday pageant kind of thing, they should include Hanukkah songs."" do you mean songs from all cultures represented in the USA or just, if xmas songs, then Hanukkah songs too? it would be hard to draw the line as to what is an important holiday to get festive about at school, and also have time for the school work too! if there is any problem with pubic schools it is the lack of quality education and safety :( if they did keep everything religon/culture- neutral at public schools, it could still be okay, because children could do the holiday activities (singing carols, cutting out snowflakes, making gingerbread cookies, etc) associated with their family's culture/religion at home, with relatives,at the daycare their parents choose, etc. In principal this is a secular state, and some groups seem to feel sick of the christianity being shoved down their throats. i like christmas carols, but i am biased because its my cultural background. and if it was overly jesusy that might be hard to take, because i hope to raise my son an agnostic, like our whole family. So i can see why some people want rudolph gone. At the same time, although i am not religious, i dont know if the world will be a better place without religion. the USA is one of the most religious countries is the western world and if it is going totally secular, well, obviously the world is changing!
lickety-split lickety-split 8 years
lol, ever seen a santa or rudolph in your church? none in ours. my girls go to catholic school and at our christmas performance there are NEVER any songs about santa or rudolph; they are about Jesus! silly that little children can't sing about a cartoon character without someone hiring a lawyer and demanding equal time for something that isn't equal.
MissSushi MissSushi 8 years
white as in colorless, lacking depth of any kind, etc, btw.. not caucasian
psterling psterling 8 years
I grew up in the 80's and I clearly remember singing silent night and the dreidel song at my holiday pageant. No biggie, everyone's happy.
MissSushi MissSushi 8 years
Im tired of all of this ridiculous banning crap. Most schools dont even celebrate anything, becuase they cant just call it christmas anymore, and even "holiday celebrations" are slowly being banned. No class parties, no fun things anymore. Ignorant adults are ruining all of the magic and fun for our children. Its such a bummer. We are slowly turning into all of those movies set in the indeterminate future where everything is white, controlled, and insufferable.
RenSis RenSis 8 years
I'm just waiting for the Easter bunny to be banned! I can see it now... "Parent claims Easter bunny moved the stone from Jesus' tomb. Petitioning to have the Easter bunny banned from American culture!"
RenSis RenSis 8 years
I can see a parent being concerned if the children were reenacting Jesus in the manger but Santa? Huh? I grew up next door to an agnostic family and they celebrated CHRISTMAS as a holiday to appreciate family and friends with the Christmas tree, lights, presents, songs, cards, etc...they just left religion out of it. Which is what schools should do, and is what parents should accept! I just don't understand why some people are so hostile...chill out, relax...Just let the kids be kids (and enjoy it)!!
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
There will never be a world where everyone can walk around all the time and not be offended by something. Whatever happened to just not getting offended? Realizing we don't all think alike? Ugh, living in a hut in the woods is looking better and better all the time.
Great-Sommelier Great-Sommelier 8 years
:jawdrop: I feel sorry for our kids. We are ruining everything with pc crap.
foxie foxie 8 years
LOL @ Krae. This story made me puke a little.
krae85 krae85 8 years
what does Santa have to do with religion? side note: my grandma always signs her presents "From Santa" but one year my cousin got one signed "From Satan." lol
Shadowdamage Shadowdamage 8 years
This is silly. This woman has it all turned around. First off, Santa is, in his various incarnations, NOT CHRISTIAN. He has nothing to do with Christianity. He was "brought into" it as an entity at some point in the 4th century, in the form of a St. Nicholas, but he didn't start there - at all. In fact Puritans went so far in early America as to try to ban the "pagan/Catholic" holiday of Christmas. If anything from what I read some Christians are actually not keen on all this "Santa-fication" because they see him as more of a commercial entity than a spiritual one, and takes away from the more holy/religious emphasis of the time as it relates to Jesus's birth, etc. So - for the record.. The symbol of a generous traveller in a reindeer-powered sleigh, bearing gifts for children IS PRE-Christian, and I'd go so far as to say you can reach all the way back to pagan/shamanistic cultures to find his original form. Before Christmas, there was Yule, for instance. (Of course we know more than a few "Christian" symbols - bunny rabbits included - were borrowed from earlier holidays and festivals but we'll leave that aside for now.) In Scandinavian folklore and culture, the winter festivals and figures reach back centuries before Christ, in various forms. Short version: This woman has her objections backwards.
Mystofflyn Mystofflyn 8 years
I'm Wiccan, and will be raising my son the same (who's due in two weeks). And I think she's absolutly bonkers. Why does she think that other religions not be opressed, and yet opress what she deems 'Christian'? For goodness' sake, Rudolph? That has to be one of the most secular songs ever. Maybe she should have cited where Santa appeared in the New Testament.
Chrstne Chrstne 8 years
Alright. Sometimes I feel like some parents tend to throw a fit because they feel that "Santa", "Rudolph", and even things like a Christmas TREE are religious figures/symbols/what have you. In reality, all of those things were just made up to have something else to celebrate. Sorry, no one made up "Santa" to honor Jesus. If there were any Chanukkah songs or whatever, then I'm sure the school would sing them! I was once in grammar school, and we did a holiday show, and we sang "Christmasy" songs. No Hanukkah songs really exist unless you make them up, or dig really, really deep to do it. No one got worried, because it's just a holiday, it's just a song. It's not meant to exclude anyone. How is it inappropriate to sing Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer? Is it really that offensive? So...we can't sing the pledge of allegiance because it said "God" (which I don't believe in, but I didn't throw a tantrum), no we can't say Christmas and Santa in school? Life is getting so ridiculous. My children will grow up in such a messed up world. Pretty sure I thought my dad was nuts, but he came to my holiday plays and didn't give a crap about what we sang. He's Jewish, too. (Yes, I come from that sorta family, mom is Catholic, dad is Jewish)
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