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PS: That reminds me of a quote from Indya Moore, who said something along the lines of: "My ancestors loved me. And I am my ancestors' dreams." And it became a part of how they understand themselves, it seemed. Having that open channel is a beautiful thing.
HZ: Yeah, and that's hard, too. There's so much trauma in our family. Even with my grandmother, there are a lot of horrible memories. And despite all of that, to know that there is love there, and to try to access that, is really powerful. And that's something that you can do, I think, regardless of the traumatic experiences that you go through. I can't speak for everyone, and their ancestors, and their families, [but] I think for the most part, underneath the more difficult experiences that we had in our family — families that are trying to survive in a really difficult world, in the case of my parents and my grandparents in particular — there is always this love. One of the things that I never questioned is that my mother loved me, despite all of the horrible things that we went through. And the ancestor work, and what I'm trying to do in this book, is a way to access that without disregarding the fact that the harms existed and that they need to be accounted for, but centering that love within the process of trying to find accountability and healing.