PS: In conversations about prison abolition and restorative justice, housing represents a material solution to one major inequity that instigates police brutality and drives the for-profit prison-industrial complex: the criminalization of poverty. Does new attention around Black Lives Matter and racial injustice internationally give you hope that issues concerning the movement for economic justice will enter the public consciousness too?
You can't get rid of racism and white supremacy without getting rid of capitalism.
JS: I certainly hope so! For me, so much of the rhetoric that liberals propagate surrounding issues of race entirely divorce class and capitalism from the mix. I'm a socialist, a card-carrying member of the DSA, and Marx is an inspiration of mine. Yet, so is Cedric Robinson, Du Bois, and Angela Davis. You can't get rid of racism and white supremacy without getting rid of capitalism. Same goes for other sorts of "identity-based" oppressions like sexism and transphobia. We can't expect that getting a few Black billionaires, police chiefs, or even a First Family [will] save us from what Robinson called "racial capitalism." Never has there been a period when capitalism and racism weren't conjoined at the hip.