In Which We Desperately Try to Get Game of Thrones Spoilers Out of Natalie Dormer

POPSUGAR: Let's talk about Game of Thrones.

Natalie Dormer: Sure, I'm fine with telling you nothing.

PS: Well, great. So, they released a poster, and Jon Snow is obviously on it. What do you make of that?

ND: He got stabbed an awful lot. He's dead. When everyone was asking that we're like, "he's dead." When you get stabbed that many times, you die.

PS: So, what do you think the poster means?

ND: Well, it's great. For the last two years, I haven't read other people's storylines. I love watching the show and the fans. I just sit down on my couch when the new season airs, and the [hums GOT opening theme]. I get excited as well. It helps with me not giving spoilers away. But after all these years, I was like, "I want to start watching it as a fan again." There's so many of our cast, there's so many storylines going off on tangents, you can read just your part of the script, and not have a clue what's going on North of the Wall or down in Dorne or what Dany's up to. So that's the choice I made, because I just want to enjoy the show . . . I think some other people have done that this year in the cast. I think other people have not read other people's storylines as well, to just not know. And we sit in the hair and makeup trailer . . . and we theorize about it, speculate about it in the same way. I can't really give you my speculation, because people will — well, A. I'll get in trouble with Dan and David. And B. People might think I actually know something, and I don't know sh*t.

PS: How do you think Margaery has changed? In season five she had worked her way into the family and she was so confident, she felt like she had the upper hand. The floor kind of fell out from underneath her. She and her brother are both in captivity, and they're awaiting trial, and she's been broken in a way.

ND: She has, don't worry, I won't spoil anything, but you're completely right. To remain in King's Landing the length of time she has, and to have gone through this trauma and to be constantly looking over your shoulder like that. And then to have the rug pulled out from under you. She definitely has been traumatized by the experience, there's no two ways about it. Nikolaj Coster-Waldau's arc over the seasons would be a good example of how a character can do a wide . . . That's what's so fantastic about the writing because with television you have a length of time with a character, you can really watch them change and grow or be broken or built back up . . . With Margaery, she's been with me for five years now. It really is nice to have a whole new color and shape to her at this time.

PS: So who do you think she hates more at this point? Cersei or the Sparrows?

ND: You're going to have to wait to find out.

PS: Obviously, the whole objectification of women has been a pretty constant theme throughout the show. I really think it came to a head in the most recent season with Sansa's marriage and that whole uncomfortable consummation scene. And the whole walk of shame with Cersei, and plenty more. What do you make of the treatment of women on the show?

ND: The reason everyone loves the show is because the writing is so honest and naturalistic. With all the scenes in the real world, when you turn on the television now, the world is a very scary, not particularly just place. We explore all these themes that are in the 21st century we try to deal with: terror, power play, economic ruin, climate change. All these anxiety topics that we're all dealing with: democracy, equality, all these things. Because the writing is so sophisticated and doesn't patronize its audience. That's what I love about Thrones, is it doesn't patronize its audience. The world is a complex, often dark, contradictory place. And good writing will always reflect that . . . Art and entertainment is meant to hold a mirror up to real life, that's its whole purpose in society. If it creates dialogue about women's rights, there are plenty of f*cking places in the world where women's rights are on the floor, so it's healthy to have a debate, in my opinion.

PS: Who do you think might win the whole game of thrones? Who's going to come out on top?

ND: Oh my god, I don't know . . . I'm not going to commit to an answer there, because it changes. It is very fun, and kind of cool that it changes, because it goes to show that the show goes off in different directions, takes you on tangents. That's the strength of the show, sh*t comes from the left field and changes your perception of a character or a storyline, and that's what I love about it.

PS: For a while, I was really rooting for Daenerys, but sometimes I get a feeling about Arya. She's this dark horse throughout the show.

ND: You're not going draw me! I'm not going say it!

PS: Alright, worth a shot. Do you think Margaery's heard of Jon Snow? Do you think she's heard that name?

ND: I'm sure Margaery knows who Jon Snow is, yeah. But not in detail, but I'm sure she'd know who Jon Snow is. The Tyrells are very well-informed . . . if you've got Olenna as your grandmother, you know most things.

PS: She probably has flashcards.

ND: Yep, the Queen of Thorns is a serious player.

PS: Where is Margaery's grandmother now? Is there any chance of her swooping in this season or is she generally not aware of what's happening?

ND: You'll find out in April!