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HZ: That's something I think is really important for us as we keep going forward, especially talking about surveillance and the ways that everything is being watched and deconstructed by the state when movements start to be more radical. What does that mean for conversations around representation? Those are the questions that I wanted to ask, and I don't think that they've been asked enough, although they definitely have been asked. Some of the people that I quote in that section — particularly [Saidiya] Hartman, she does a lot of writing around representation and empathy in particular that I found rang true to me — that's what I wanted to push forward, particularly around conversations of queerness. We're talking in terms of Black representation a lot more now, but when I was writing the book in particular, there's also queer representation that we have to take into account. How does that shift when people are both Black and queer?
It's something that was really important for me to get in, especially as I was working around the [Bayna-Lehkiem] El-Amin case and seeing how different people [have] their stories told in totally different ways: even if you have the same camera, the same journalist, the same platforms that you're telling those stories on.