PS: I read your piece "The Stories and Lies of Jess Krug" in Vanity Fair, which was fantastic, and I'm wondering, where does that piece live in the canon of this book? Because I feel like there's writing about relationships, like with your friend Cloud, that I drew parallels to as a reader.
HZ: Mmm. That's funny, I didn't really think of it too much in relation to my relationship with Cloud. But, where I see the connections there is [in] this idea that Jessica Krug was very — she was an abolitionist, she wrote really great articles about abolition — but where we always had this tension is [that] she did not take that next step into her personal life. And so, she would react out of what to me felt like punitive desire to hurt someone, and that was in how she attacked anyone who wasn't radical enough, but also in the way she tried to discourage me from doing things that were healthy for me: going to therapy.
She was able to tie this idea of abolition and "this world isn't for us" into something that prevented us from finding things in this world that help us get to that place, and she was very successful in doing that. But I'd love to hear more about what you saw as the parallels between that story and my relationship with Cloud, and I'd be happy to speak to that.
![PS: I read your piece "The Stories and Lies of Jess Krug" in Vanity Fair, which was fantastic, and I'm wondering, where does that piece live in the canon of this book? Because I feel like there's writing about relationships, like with your friend Cloud, that I drew parallels to as a reader.
HZ: Mmm. That's funny, I didn't really think of it too much in relation to my relationship with Cloud. But, where I see the connections there is [in] this idea that Jessica Krug was very — she was an abolitionist, she wrote really great articles about abolition — but where we always had this tension is [that] she did not take that next step into her personal life. And so, she would react out of what to me felt like punitive desire to hurt someone, and that was in how she attacked anyone who wasn't radical enough, but also in the way she tried to discourage me from doing things that were healthy for me: going to therapy.
She was able to tie this idea of abolition and "this world isn't for us" into something that prevented us from finding things in this world that help us get to that place, and she was very successful in doing that. But I'd love to hear more about what you saw as the parallels between that story and my relationship with Cloud, and I'd be happy to speak to that.](https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/9S2LyUaHzxAfTRMGpo16EJr0ocg/fit-in/1024x1024/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2021/04/26/786/n/44344577/5db8f4e64e638458_GettyImages-1227930025/i/PS-I-read-your-piece-Stories-Lies-Jess-Krug-in-Vanity.jpg "PS: I read your piece \"The Stories and Lies of Jess Krug\" in Vanity Fair, which was fantastic, and I'm wondering, where does that piece live in the canon of this book? Because I feel like there's writing about relationships, like with your friend Cloud, that I drew parallels to as a reader.
HZ: Mmm. That's funny, I didn't really think of it too much in relation to my relationship with Cloud. But, where I see the connections there is [in] this idea that Jessica Krug was very — she was an abolitionist, she wrote really great articles about abolition — but where we always had this tension is [that] she did not take that next step into her personal life. And so, she would react out of what to me felt like punitive desire to hurt someone, and that was in how she attacked anyone who wasn't radical enough, but also in the way she tried to discourage me from doing things that were healthy for me: going to therapy.
She was able to tie this idea of abolition and \"this world isn't for us\" into something that prevented us from finding things in this world that help us get to that place, and she was very successful in doing that. But I'd love to hear more about what you saw as the parallels between that story and my relationship with Cloud, and I'd be happy to speak to that.")
